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Spain Will Remove Catalonia Leader, Escalating Secession Crisis

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Re: Spain Will Remove Catalonia Leader, Escalating Secession Crisis

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Post by ryanlol »

notspanishflu wrote: post #92
jayniz wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until this comment I thought you're serious!

I've posted this already but it seems you didn't read it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/10/19... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/08/catalonia-demo... https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/10/02/inenglish/1506943013_99...

These articles simply don't seem that relevant. Of course there's been a bunch of fake news on both sides.

There was obviously a plenty of very real violence by GC, anyone watching the live streams saw this for themselves.

And a few days ago el pais fired a bunch of folks for having the wrong opinions on Catalonia, so I'm not sure if they're the best source.

Re: Spain Will Remove Catalonia Leader, Escalating Secession Crisis

#102

Post by JaumeGreen »

pipio21 wrote: post #55

Given that "Catalunia leader" has dissolved the Parlament (Catalunia local congress) and declared independence(but saying that he suspended it), it is only logical what the Government has to do. The central Government is not escalating anything, on the contrary, it has been extremely weak. Imagine that some State in the US declares the president of the US has no decisions over his land, and that you follow your own l…

Catalonia'president has not dissolved the parliament, neither has he disbanded it.

There will be a parlamentari meeting next week to debate what to do with the application of the 155 and how to respond. Has just said so in a televised speech.

Just with the inaccuracy you started marks all the rest you wrote as "things to doubt".

Re: Spain Will Remove Catalonia Leader, Escalating Secession Crisis

#103

Post by ryanlol »

notspanishflu wrote: post #98
ryanlol wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the Spanish government does not agree with you. Few individuals such as Puidgemont may very well have violated the law, but supporting them simply isn't against the law.

I mean voting for independence, not having an opinion, obviously.

As jayniz says, please find the part of the constitution that outlaws voting for independence. (As opposed to organizing such a vote.)

Re: Spain Will Remove Catalonia Leader, Escalating Secession Crisis

#104

Post by notspanishflu »

jayniz wrote: post #81
notspanishflu wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it is. It is specifically forbidden in the Spanish Constitution. The sovereignty of Spain resides in all Spaniards.

Can you give us that quote from the constitution (the whole paragraph would be swell)?

The article 1.2 of the Spanish Constitution states:

> La soberanía nacional reside en el pueblo español, del que emanan los poderes del Estado.

(The national sovereignty resides in the Spanish people, from which emanate the powers of the State.)

Re: Spain Will Remove Catalonia Leader, Escalating Secession Crisis

#105

Post by notspanishflu »

jayniz wrote: post #85
notspanishflu wrote: post #8

Since when applying the law is escalating? All European Union leaders support the rule according a higher law.

When shooting peaceful civilians with (illegal) rubber ammunition and kicking them in the face, for example.

Source for that?

Re: Spain Will Remove Catalonia Leader, Escalating Secession Crisis

#106

Post by notspanishflu »

JaumeGreen wrote: post #84
notspanishflu wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article 1.2 of the Spanish Constitution states: > La soberanía nacional reside en el pueblo español, del que emanan los poderes del Estado. (The national sovereignty resides in the Spanish people, from which emanate the powers of the State.)

No one under 57 has voted on this constitution. It should be modernised.

So every generation has to vote a new constitution?

Re: Spain Will Remove Catalonia Leader, Escalating Secession Crisis

#107

Post by notspanishflu »

icebraining wrote: post #91
notspanishflu wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the secessionists movement is deeply fueled with public funds. Now that Spanish government is going to control that, you can expect way less secessionists support.

How much would you bet on that?

I don't bet but if you're interested in betting, I saw a thread in Reddit where people are betting 'reddit gold'.

Re: Spain Will Remove Catalonia Leader, Escalating Secession Crisis

#108

Post by notspanishflu »

farresito wrote: post #93
syshum wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>and to the rule of law. I have always found it fascinating how strongly people believe "the rule of law" to be the ethical and correct position. To uphold the rule of law no matter what. That the rule of law itself if the goal. No matter what those laws are, no matter if those laws are unethical, immoral, unjust. The rule of law itself is the goal. Not a moral society, not a just society, not a ethical society, but…

That's the argument that the Spanish govt. gives all the time, so it's only normal for them to use this argument when trying to defend the govt. position to attack the Catalan people when trying to vote or when trying to justify taking control of the Catalan administration, some Catalan public TV channels, etc.

Wow a democracy defending the rule of law! /s

Re: Spain Will Remove Catalonia Leader, Escalating Secession Crisis

#109

Post by farresito »

notspanishflu wrote: post #94
farresito wrote: post #42

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No, because sadly they don't let us have a referendum.

Then stop pulling numbers from your ass. Thank you.

Maybe you should stop citing shit newspapers like el país too then. Thank you :-)

Re: Spain Will Remove Catalonia Leader, Escalating Secession Crisis

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Post by notspanishflu »

ryanlol wrote: post #101
notspanishflu wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've posted this already but it seems you didn't read it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/10/19... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/08/catalonia-demo... https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/10/02/inenglish/1506943013_99...

These articles simply don't seem that relevant. Of course there's been a bunch of fake news on both sides. There was obviously a plenty of very real violence by GC, anyone watching the live streams saw this for themselves. And a few days ago el pais fired a bunch of folks for having the wrong opinions on Catalonia, so I'm not sure if they're the best source.

Can you point out any source about fake news from anti-secessionists?
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