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Supporting independence isn't breaking the law. Voting for independence isn't breaking the law.
But it is. It is specifically forbidden in the Spanish Constitution. The sovereignty of Spain resides in all Spaniards.
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The sentiment in the Street by Independentists. I was in Barcelona 4 days ago. At least 25% of the people there is clearly not independentist. So stop talking the "sentiment in the street" like there is only one "Poble" in Catalunia that wants independence. If there is a fight it is not going to be against Madrid, but Catalans over Catalans.
With "the sentiment on the street" I'm referring to the demostrations. Most are pro-independence, and they are always full of people. Unionists are few and with not that many people (except the one on the 8th of October). The "the fight will be catalan VS catalan" is an unionist mantra. People want to vote, not fight. Unionists would love an armed or belligerent pro-independence group, so they could repress us while…
Anti-secession supporters has been afraid of Catalan government. Not anymore.
>Unionists would love an armed or belligerent pro-independence group
No, that's BS. By the way, such group has existed before (Terra Lliure) and nothing changed.
It's almost like Spain wants Catalonia to secede.
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Lol, no, it resides on the folks that live on those states. Constitutions change. (the last change was in 78, right?). Fromer Yougoslavia broke off, as the separate states wanted their own countries. Somewhere was peaceful (Slovenia), and very bloody, (the rest of the states). They are much much better off by themselves right now. Things change, and if Catalonia wants their independence they should.
The article 1.2 of the Spanish Constitution states: > La soberanía nacional reside en el pueblo español, del que emanan los poderes del Estado. (The national sovereignty resides in the Spanish people, from which emanate the powers of the State.)
It should be modernised.
Since when applying the law is escalating? All European Union leaders support the rule according a higher law.
It's almost like Spain wants Catalonia to secede.
The sentiment on the street is to keep pushing forward and declare independence. The opposition to this rule is huge (there has been a new huge demostration today). If this happens civil disobedience will grow. There won't be a civil war (we are peaceful people and have no guns), but we won't obey what comes from Madrid.
> There won't be a civil war It's increasingly clear that the only two possible outcomes are either abandoning the idea altogether (possibly with an overall reduction in autonomy or proscription of the pro-independence parties); or violence. You can see even in this thread that nobody in the rest of Spain is even going to consider the possibility of peaceful secession. It's going to end up like 70s Belfast if people…
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The European Union leaders ain't turning a blind eye, they have showed their express support to the Spanish government, and to the rule of law.
>>and to the rule of law. I have always found it fascinating how strongly people believe "the rule of law" to be the ethical and correct position. To uphold the rule of law no matter what. That the rule of law itself if the goal. No matter what those laws are, no matter if those laws are unethical, immoral, unjust. The rule of law itself is the goal. Not a moral society, not a just society, not a ethical society, but…
I don't know the source of your fascination if you don't understand that.
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Which restaurant? Did you raise a complain? Sorry but these stories ring untrue, given that Barcelona is both a huge touristic destination and most servers speaking Spanish as a rule.
I think the idea was that the server understood she was Spanish and therefore that he was hostile to her, not that he didn't speak Spanish.
So they went to a restaurant that had a server that not only was Catalan, but was an independentist, detected your friend by her accent, isolated her making she alone speak Catalan and the manager was OK with that?
Sorry, does not compute.