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It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by digi_owl »

jd3 wrote: post #215
digi_owl wrote: post #202

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They are targeting something that only exist in the drug haze filling the marketing and design offices. The same marketing that insisted that Mozilla shift their major version on every release, and that keep producing sugar coated videos for the most vapid of reasons. Face it, the FOSS world has become a bastion of champagne pimping social climbers that just want to add to their score card that they have worked on so…

Their marketing problem is, in my interpretation, based around the flawed mindset that you should treat users as non-technical cattle. This is the chrome way. The problem is, Mozilla has historically thrived off of the opposite - the 'hacker' mentality. The only reason Mozilla even exists is due primarily to Jamie Zawinski! I agree with your point about the shift in major version releases — this was another marketing…

A mindset that is becoming more and more prevalent as FOSS projects gun for mainstream acceptance...

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by chimeracoder »

kenhwang wrote: post #65
quesera wrote: post #58

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The confusion is reasonable though -- your description above is exactly how I use Firefox Profiles today (and for many years). What does Containers add? If the only answer is "a more convenient UI", then that's good enough for me!

It's not quite a new profile since the container retains all your configuration and extensions and a profile doesn't. It's more similar to a private browsing session, except things aren't forgotten, and you can have as many as you like. And they're tab level so you can treat them they same way you would a tab.

> It's not quite a new profile since the container retains all your configuration and extensions and a profile doesn't.

Other way around. Profiles retain configuration and extensions between sessions.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by freehunter »

JamesFM wrote: post #180
freehunter wrote: post #94

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>Citation needed. A company known for tracking the ever-loving shit out of everyone across the Internet distributes a best-in-class web browser absolutely for free. If that's not enough, I really hope you're able to hold on to that innocence as you start using the Internet more and more in the future.

Sorry to go off on you because this is a larger issue then your comment but seriously, can we hold this discussion to a higher standard? Prove to me that Google is tracking me through Chrome. Link me to an article with proof of collection. Most of us our developers here, surely we can apply some more rigor to this conversation then “we know Google is doing this because it’s Google”.

There are an awful lot of green user names lately shutting down conversations using things like "citation needed" or "prove it" on subjects where it's completely inconsequential or the conclusion is obvious. Everyone can easily see how old your account is and the devs of HN made it that way on purpose. Apologies if anyone here isn't willing to bend over backwards for the demands of an account that wasn't even created the last time I filled up my car's gas tank.

Google made a name for themselves giving away very expensive products for free because it furthered their tracking and advertising network. It's not only safe to assume Chrome is the same way, it's dangerous to think otherwise. Google paid $3b for DoubleClick 10 years ago, that wasn't wasted money.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by rdiddly »

gotofritz wrote: post #108
rightos wrote: post #2

I was extremely skeptical of all the changes they were doing - I said it myself 100 times, "they're just building a Chrome clone, they're killing all the features I like in favor of speed". But here I am, running Nightly because holy shit this thing flies. Their work has paid off and they're not even done yet. Webrender is coming, it's not quite stable enough for daily use yet (mostly just graphics glitching and inte…

Even if "they were just building a Chrome clone", it would still be valuable because of the privacy concerns

Right, and even if its latency is, say 1.5X that of Chrome(1), it's still better, for the same reason.

(1) Though I'm sure it's better than that.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by jaipilot747 »

cpeterso wrote: post #154
kibwen wrote: post #129

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> Firefox on android still feels significantly more sluggish than chrome. Note that none of the Quantum work has been turned on for mobile Firefox yet. I hear it will be coming online in nightly this cycle, targeting Firefox 58.

The Quantum project includes more than Stylo and WebRender. There are lots of small performance fixes ("Quantum Flow") in core Gecko code that should improve performance on Android. Stylo for Android is currently targeting Firefox 59. I don't know if WebRender will support Android.

Firefox for Android Beta currently has the Quantum update, and it's buttery smooth!

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by lobster_johnson »

richdougherty wrote: post #11

Just switched to Firefox beta to test this out. Looking good so far! The other thing that I've been waiting for is better multi-profile support. You can get a (pre-release) version of that now by opting into the Containers experiment: https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/containers

I wish containers could be tied to which space (on macOS) I'm in. I keep all my work in one space, and all my personal stuff in another. That makes it really easy to keep things apart.

The current container extension uses the default container for new tabs and windows, which is a bit cumbersome, because you have to remember to open new tabs and windows in the current container. If it were associated with a space, it's just inherit the container from the current space.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by noncoml »

syshum wrote: post #167
noncoml wrote: post #9

I was very critical of Mozilla in the past about all their "science projects" like Rust. While I appreciate Rust, I thought it was wrong for Mozilla to be wasting resources on it, instead of focusing on Firefox. I was so harsh with them only because I strongly believe that Firefox is my only hope for a free web. But then I tried 57, and I must admit, boy was I wrong. This thing is fast! I haven't stopped recommending…

So you are one of those that "Open Web" == performance only and you look the other way on things like EME, Pocket, and various other things that lower Privacy and betray the very foundation of the "Open Web"

That's as a bit unfair conclusion.

I just believe that if Firefox dies then for sure "Open Web" will die.

But, yeah, of course I am not happy with Pocket. But it still better than using Chrome.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by s17n »

hdhzy wrote: post #51
rightos wrote: post #2

I was extremely skeptical of all the changes they were doing - I said it myself 100 times, "they're just building a Chrome clone, they're killing all the features I like in favor of speed". But here I am, running Nightly because holy shit this thing flies. Their work has paid off and they're not even done yet. Webrender is coming, it's not quite stable enough for daily use yet (mostly just graphics glitching and inte…

Not to mention Firefox for Android that supports extensions (uBlock etc.).

I just have JavaScript off on my phone

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by jd3 »

51Cards wrote: post #220
jd3 wrote: post #169

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ehh I know taste is subjective, but (on Win10, at least) I find this very very ugly. latest nightly. https://i.imgur.com/z3cM8ve.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Oa875od.jpg

I find it incredibly cluttered. Seems like the push for vertical page space has lead to crunching everything together into 2 lines while ignoring usability.

I agree that the Firefox user interface feels way too cluttered these days. I know this is a highly unpopular opinion, but I find the way that the Suite (SeaMonkey) allows you to collapse/expand title bars infinitely more functional than whatever Mozilla has been doing over the past decade.

https://i.imgur.com/b5ZpLaO.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Se4rYJc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ynphRKv.jpg

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by mquander »

whyenot wrote: post #179

"Internt for people, not for profit" This is a great slogan, but actions speak louder than words. Why hasn't FF implemented basic privacy protections and block trackers like Safari does? If Firefox is really "for people," this seems like an area they should be leading in. A cynic (like me) might suggest that it is because Mozilla has become utterly dependent on ad revenue for their survival. Long gone are the days wh…

Is the built-in Firefox "tracking protection" feature not as good as Safari at this?
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