Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

It’s time to give Firefox another chance

techcrunch.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

91–100 of 733 posts

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

#91

Post by robto »

pps wrote: post #52
jdlyga wrote: post #34

Firefox 57 is great. The interface is no longer ugly, and it's no longer oddly sluggish. Once Lastpass has their extension updated to work with WebExtensions, I'll switch.

This was what I was thinking, until three days ago someone mentioned here about Bitwarden. It's perfect, no more LP for me, you should try it too :) https://bitwarden.com/

I'm going to go ahead and second this - I switched a couple of days ago as well and my jaw just dropped at how much better it is than lastpass. The ui is better, the interface is snappy!, and it's gpl. I just wish I had learned about this earlier.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

#92

Post by marumari »

Klathmon wrote: post #27
roblabla wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While it's true the firefox debugger is lacking in certain areas, it's also better than chrome in others. Debugging CSS animations is much easier in firefox, but firefox lacks a way to look at websocket packets. One thing I like about firefox is that its debugger is a just a React webapp : https://github.com/devtools-html/debugger.html . So it's fairly easy to add to it !

I know the chrome dev tools are also just a web app themselves (or at least for the most part are). I don't know the stack, but I do remember there is a way to open dev tools FOR the dev tools window.

You can do the same in Firefox. It's under Tools -> Web Developer -> Browser Toolbox.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

#93

Post by kibwen »

482794793792894 wrote: post #59
craftyguy wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One might argue because they were "distracted" with making a phone OS and other endeavors.

Yeah, but that's nonsense that bad journalists write or Mozilla marketing people say, because it's more understandable for normal readers and makes it more credible that things will change. The truth is that they were in a dilemma situation where they had to choose between not killing all extensions or fixing performance by introducing a multiprocess architecture (which required breaking all extensions). So, the firs…

If this is referring to Electrolysis, that has been in stable Firefox for about a year now, and it was an initiative whose planning began in 2009. Seven years from inception to delivery is a long time, and indeed was largely attributable to trying to find ways to avoid breaking every extension in the universe, and then being forced to break every extension anyway, and then laboriously fixing up all the broken extensions over a very long period. After such a grueling task I don't blame them for coming to the painful conclusion that Firefox simply can't keep pace with other browsers while maintaining the all-pervasive legacy extension system, especially since Electrolysis was just a first tentative step towards effective multiprocessing.

Indeed, I'm one of the people who has suffered from losing legacy Firefox extensions (find me a substitute for LeechBlock, please!), but I can see how much of a burden it was for the developers to compete on performance and security, which I value more. I'm hopeful that Firefox will continue to add sane extension APIs to help close the gap with what was previously possible without regressing to the old quagmire. Fingers crossed, but they've done well delivering so far with 57.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

#94

Post by freehunter »

teleproto wrote: post #74
eridius wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One can assume Google is tracking a ton of data beyond just what Google searches users do. Firefox users who pick Google as the search engine are still giving a lot of info to Google, but less info than Google would have had if the user was using Chrome.

Citation needed. Google Analytcs and ads are so widely that most of your browsing will be tracked regardless of browser, even regardless of your search engine (but the search engine is also quite major since they can track what you were trying to search for before jumping into the web). But there's also a privacy policy explaining what chrome actually sends: https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/privacy/

>Citation needed.

A company known for tracking the ever-loving shit out of everyone across the Internet distributes a best-in-class web browser absolutely for free. If that's not enough, I really hope you're able to hold on to that innocence as you start using the Internet more and more in the future.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

#95

Post by craftyguy »

482794793792894 wrote: post #59
craftyguy wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One might argue because they were "distracted" with making a phone OS and other endeavors.

Yeah, but that's nonsense that bad journalists write or Mozilla marketing people say, because it's more understandable for normal readers and makes it more credible that things will change. The truth is that they were in a dilemma situation where they had to choose between not killing all extensions or fixing performance by introducing a multiprocess architecture (which required breaking all extensions). So, the firs…

That was Mozilla's official excuse for discontinuing Firefox OS.

I never said I agreed with it.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

#96

Post by bananicorn »

Robdel12 wrote: post #72

Honestly chrome sticks around because: 1. it's not bad 2. CMD + Shift + C opens the dev tools and allows you to select DOM nodes. I use that religiously...

Doesn't that work in firefox on the mac? It works with ctrl+shift+c on win+linux, so I'm personally not missing anything here.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

#97

Post by forapurpose »

fabrice_d wrote: post #87
mk89 wrote: post #81

Never abandoned Firefox. Now what? :) And please, donate to Mozilla, if you can. They really do deserve some help. Fighting against giants like Google, MS and Apple... They have products running on all kinds of possible platforms, also on old Android phones! And they have some of the best extensions.

They have a lot of money in the bank. Donations are a drop in the bucket and I would even argue that there are other orgs that deserve your money more than Mozilla.

> They have a lot of money in the bank. Donations are a drop in the bucket

What is the basis for these statements? Mozilla's budget is far less than its competitors, Google, Apple, and Microsoft; I expect they could find good uses for a little more.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

#98

Post by 51Cards »

SirensOfTitan wrote: post #48
jd3 wrote: post #26

SeaMonkey (mozilla suite) is the only web browser I have ever truly enjoyed using. I use the browser, email client, irc client, address book, and calendar every single day. Extremely disappointed that Mozilla has basically given a big middle finger to the SeaMonkey/Thunderbird (comm-central) communities with the removal of XUL/XPCOM add-ons, necessity of multi-process, introduction of webextensions, removal of suppor…

Very few people are bothered by the movement to WebExtensions, multi-process, or removal of complete themes. Many, however, have stopped using the browser as it has felt slow and clunky for quite a while now. The recent changes have actually attracted me back to the platform after a decade of using Chrome.

I am however one of those. While I understand the technical reasons for the switch I don't think it has been handled well. Extensions I rely on daily are going to cease functioning because the WebExtensions API isn't mature enough for the developers to migrate. Are they going to wait? Probably not... most affected will probably abandon their projects because FF rushed the transition and their user base is about to drop off a cliff due to no fault of their own. I would feel pretty abandoned.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

#99

Post by marumari »

neves wrote: post #41

I was using developer extension and it disabled all of my beloved plugins. I hurried back to the "normal version". How is the update of the plugins to the new browser? Will it go live with uBlock, Tree tabs etc?

Both uBlock Origin and Tree Style Tabs (as well as Tab Center Redux, which I prefer) are already compatible with Firefox 57.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

#100

Post by bananicorn »

misnamed wrote: post #5

"It feels fast and light and I may just make it my default browser again once the stable version comes around." "Is Firefox Quantum significantly better than Chrome? No. But they are on par again" Well this ringing endorsement sure sold me. Anyone else? Bonus: you can mix your own Firefox Quantum using two regular Firefox Colas, some Jet and Nuclear Materials at any crafting bench.

Is that fallout 4 specific, or could you do that in fallout NV too?
Post reply on HN