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It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by Markoff »

I gave it chance, just 2-3 days ago with Forefox Nightly. Again. I am giving Firefox chance maybe twice a year for last couple of years (before went through couple of browsers as daily drivers). This time it could not even properly render my Outlook.com mailbox, when I edit draft and go to end page (CTRL+END) screen scroll properly in Chrome to end of page, while in Forefox it stayed on top until I moved cursor in editing field with arrow and then it jumped where it should be in the first place. Also scrolling with scrollbars was veru unresponsive on many ocassions.

So sorry, but for me Firefox is just huge fail if they can't get even one of the biggest webmails to work properly or scrollbars. And better not complain about start times, unresponsiveness, etc.

I like idea of Mozilla and would be very happy to switch away from Google (only reason why I don't install microG on my Android phone is Google Photos which are ireplacable and AFAIK backup doesn't work with microG) but they provide inferior products.

It's even worse on Android, it's bunch of stubborn nerds who don't even give people option to Pull down to refresh, so people like me will never switch to FF on mobile, no matter if they would be at least on par with Chrome for Android or faster browsers like Brave (which they are not, firefox on android is slowest browser you gonna ever see if you bother to try and compare with other browsers).

I expect nothing else than being downvoted to oblivion by local FF fanboys.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by rainbowmverse »

JosephLark wrote: post #22
tjr225 wrote: post #7

Switched to Firefox a while ago. I love it. My little tip is to go into add-ons > Appearance, and change over to a compact theme. It looks a lot better than the default theme imo!

Damn it, I was hoping this was going to alleviate my main worry with this new Firefox - the UI. It's so Microsoft Edge-ified. I had more trouble finding this setting than I should have. Appears to be hamburger menu -> customize -> (bottom of page) density drop-down -> select compact. Still not sure if I like it. The tabs alone are still way too big for my liking. Coupled with Ubuntu 17.10 and the Gnome that brings, t…

>> I had more trouble finding this setting than I should have. Appears to be hamburger menu -> customize -> (bottom of page) density drop-down -> select compact. Still not sure if I like it. The tabs alone are still way too big for my liking.

Assuming it's the same as every Firefox since they started copying Chrome, the alt key should bring up the old-fashioned (and much more usable) menu bar.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by teleproto »

eridius wrote: post #54
teleproto wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming that one switches to Google as the default search engine (I'd love to know how many do - additionally I beleive Google is the default outside the US anyway), there's effectively no difference. Neither browser does anything special wrt privacy, the same resources and scripts are loaded in both. Safari are the only browser brave enough to try anythng more exciting in this area. (OK, Brave are also in this area…

One can assume Google is tracking a ton of data beyond just what Google searches users do. Firefox users who pick Google as the search engine are still giving a lot of info to Google, but less info than Google would have had if the user was using Chrome.

Citation needed.

Google Analytcs and ads are so widely that most of your browsing will be tracked regardless of browser, even regardless of your search engine (but the search engine is also quite major since they can track what you were trying to search for before jumping into the web).

But there's also a privacy policy explaining what chrome actually sends: https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/privacy/

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by Sylos »

downrightmike wrote: post #16

It'd be great if they fixed the memory leak so I could leave tabs open for more than a day. at about 2.4 gigs it crashes. Edit: valid problems get downvoted. Great job guys.

That's usually a problem with one of your extensions. Maybe you can identify it through about:memory.

But good news, Firefox 57 will probably actually fix that. By 1) breaking unmaintained extensions for good and 2) switching to an extension API which makes it much harder for extension developers to make such mistakes.

Also, I don't know if this will be in 57, but extensions will probably eventually run in individual processes as well. And then you could just shoot down the process of the offending extension.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by kenhwang »

noncoml wrote: post #9

I was very critical of Mozilla in the past about all their "science projects" like Rust. While I appreciate Rust, I thought it was wrong for Mozilla to be wasting resources on it, instead of focusing on Firefox. I was so harsh with them only because I strongly believe that Firefox is my only hope for a free web. But then I tried 57, and I must admit, boy was I wrong. This thing is fast! I haven't stopped recommending…

Rust was pretty much designed to solve problems for Firefox. It's IMO the best bet Mozilla has made these last few years and we're just starting to see them reaping the rewards.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by r3bl »

makmanalp wrote: post #46

AFAIK this quantum release was mostly about a new/better CSS engine, right? If this helps this much, I'm very excited for webrender.

No, this version has so many groundbreaking changes.

It starts to be fully multicore, CSS engine was re-written in Rust, there's a new design (that they've named Photon), Pocket integration is now slightly tighter, WebExtensions become the default, and they've redesigned the developer tools.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by rspeer »

throwaway613834 wrote: post #47

Does the upcoming Firefox start as fast as Chrome? Rendering was never what I had problems with; startup speed is literally the one reason why I haven't switched.

There's still that "Firefox is installing updates" modal that shows up the first time you launch the new version.

But after that bad first impression, launching Firefox 57 is very snappy.

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