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It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Boy, I _really_ didn't want to swap to Chrome. I'd held on through about a year ago, even despite knowing it was slower, a memory hog, and so on; at least this way, _someone_ on my team was viewing our site in FF and would notice discrepancies. I hated to let Google manage yet another aspect of my life. But as some point, too much was too much. Unable to bear vanilla, Google-owned Chrome, I ended up in (closed-source…

Profits pay your salary, commie.

Profits are unpaid wages.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Unfortunately, for me at least, it's not a viable option. Firefox on android still feels significantly more sluggish than chrome. Plus, googles questionable business practice of embedding chrome into many apps, while making opening links very fast, adds another three clicks to someone not using chrome.

I use the Brave browser to address this. It's based on Chromium with built in features based on Privacy Badger and HTTPS everywhere. It also replaces "Chrome view" so that if you click a link from an app and it opens up with the app, you're still getting the privacy features. And since it's Chromium based I don't see the sluggishness I do in Firefox for Android.

Hmm, you're saying apps use Brave instead of Chrome? That'd be amazing. I mean, you could block ads in apps that way. How does one enable that?

> And since it's Chromium based I don't see the sluggishness I do in Firefox for Android.

The point of the article is that you'll be able to have a quick experience with Android, without using that one tracker called Google.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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While it's true the firefox debugger is lacking in certain areas, it's also better than chrome in others. Debugging CSS animations is much easier in firefox, but firefox lacks a way to look at websocket packets. One thing I like about firefox is that its debugger is a just a React webapp : https://github.com/devtools-html/debugger.html . So it's fairly easy to add to it !

There's also the grid layout debugger and a bunch of other stuff. If you go to the devtools settings you can add a lot of cool tools to the main pane including a canvas debugger and some other useful stuff.

Think this is what Firefox should focus on, Chrome has had incredible resources put into making the devtools amazing, and they are amazing. If Firefox has a few killer features, it's not going to prevent people from using Chrome devtools, but they will Firefox as well, which is what everyone really wants, for the good of the web.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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This was what I was thinking, until three days ago someone mentioned here about Bitwarden. It's perfect, no more LP for me, you should try it too :) https://bitwarden.com/

Why is it people never offer 1Password as an alternative? Sure, it's paid and slightly more expensive, but they have regular security audits and their apps on each platform are really well made and second to none. Their change logs are also always a pleasure to read, they even mention each bug by issue tracker number! Only problem is no Linux app.

I used (and paid for) LastPass and even convinced work to go with LastPass Enterprise. Then LogMeIn came along and bought them. Using an MBP as my primary machine at the time, I switched to 1Password (paying for the full version for my MBP, iPad, and iPhone) the very same day. Then, they pulled the ol' switcheroo and went to a subscription model.

That turned a lot of people off from 1Password.

Since my primary workstation and primary laptop now both run Arch Linux -- which 1Password has no desire to support (and don't even mention how shitty the Windows version runs under Wine) -- I'm back to where I was years ago, running KeePass/variants. I don't expect to switch to anything else for a long time -- my "secrets" are mine and only mine, once again.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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I am going to write up some extremely long-winded rant in blog form at some point before the FF57 release materializes, but suffice it to say, most developers that I know who have been involved with Mozilla since the Netscape days (and also those who build most of the add-ons/products that I care about, such as SeaMonkey) have shown nothing but disappointment at Mozilla's reckless plan for the Firefox 57 release. Lit…

They are targeting something that only exist in the drug haze filling the marketing and design offices. The same marketing that insisted that Mozilla shift their major version on every release, and that keep producing sugar coated videos for the most vapid of reasons. Face it, the FOSS world has become a bastion of champagne pimping social climbers that just want to add to their score card that they have worked on so…

Their marketing problem is, in my interpretation, based around the flawed mindset that you should treat users as non-technical cattle. This is the chrome way. The problem is, Mozilla has historically thrived off of the opposite - the 'hacker' mentality. The only reason Mozilla even exists is due primarily to Jamie Zawinski!

I agree with your point about the shift in major version releases — this was another marketing ploy to 'catch up' to Chrome (who, for whatever reason, popularized the ridiculous practice of tagging releases with huge numbers).

When it comes to add-ons, this bigger-is-better mindset/fallacy is one of the things that Mozilla touts about the ~2000 new web-extensions on AMO. What they fail to mention is how many of these are just utterly useless (or whose core functionality is bested by something like youtube-dl, mpv, using the dev tools, etc.). People don't want the highly limited feature-set provided by web-extensions, they want add-ons that integrate themselves deep into the browser internals (noscript), leverage the add-on sdk, or modify the browser chrome:// in some way.

Edit: I cannot speak about the FOSS community as a whole (I only have experience in academia/government work), but from what I have read online about Mozilla's internal leadership, it currently seems like a difficult place to work if you legitimately care about these kinds of issues.

As for Palemoon, (I have made this clear in previous posts on HN and reddit), but I generally consider that project to be less than a joke. It would take an absolutely herculean amount of time and energy to keep their feature-set even with Firefox while retaining all of the stuff that is being decimated from mozilla-central. It's never going to work. They should focus their attention on SeaMonkey (comm-central) instead of wasting their time.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Just switched to Firefox beta to test this out. Looking good so far! The other thing that I've been waiting for is better multi-profile support. You can get a (pre-release) version of that now by opting into the Containers experiment: https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/containers

Is available as an extension now: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account... And it's definitely a reason to switch to Firefox. Keeping personal and work Google and AWS accounts open and separate simultaneously is really nice.

Not really a reason to switch to Firefox, it's more not a reason not to switch to it - Chrome has had it for ages. Still good that they have it though!

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Profits pay your salary, commie.

Profits are unpaid wages.

Profits are paid to shareholders. Wages are the cost your employer pays to allow you to generate more profit for shareholders.

"Profits are unpaid wages" is a nonsensical statement.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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I now use Firefox Focus as default html viewer for links. Very good.

That's basically a wrapper around Webview, that in turn is chrome based...

true I forgot that (although it seems they forked brave but that's still webview)

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Profits pay your salary, commie.

Keep your bootlicking on topic at least. If the company is for-profit and the software is free, you are definitely sacrificing your privacy.

Mozilla (the foundation) is a non-profit corporation, but Mozilla (the corporation that creates the free browser) is a for-profit corporation. They're separate entities.

Of course, non-profit corporations are still able to turn profits as well. They just can't distribute dividends to shareholders.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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> show me a single Persona that doesn't look like shit https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/herbal-guitar... — especially with the new Photon UI (57)

ehh I know taste is subjective, but (on Win10, at least) I find this very very ugly. latest nightly. https://i.imgur.com/z3cM8ve.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Oa875od.jpg

I find it incredibly cluttered. Seems like the push for vertical page space has lead to crunching everything together into 2 lines while ignoring usability.
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