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Why Happy People Cheat

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Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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> And they have other men in their lives too? Haven't really thought about that. I guess it depends on the relationship I have with them. If we live together I rather like them to be bisexual, but I guess it would be ok for me to live like a collective and for them to enjoy other men. But then I would like to know these men and perhaps even live with them and the women. > You have some funny beliefs, and you'll find…

>I am going to be dead for a long effing time. See... I think that thought and I continue with "what does it matter if I'm only with one person? My contribution to the world is not going to be based on how sexually satisfied I am." I have whatever sex I need to get it off my mind so that I can work on my hobbies and interests without distraction. "I'm going to be dead" is just as much a reason to be miserable as it i…

I disagree about the reason to be miserable since no one wants to be miserable. But otherwise I agree and am practially doing the same thing as you are at the moment. :)

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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So affairs are 'wrong', but who would want to live in a world where there are no affairs? We excessively police and punish our partners, our friends' partners and our parents, but often hypocritically, when it comes to ourselves and our friends cheating will generally be forgiven. I am not even advocating abolishing the hypocricy. Without it affairs probably wouldn't be exciting and equally, faithful relationships wo…

Yeah, that's crap.

Let's translate that philosophy to other "wrong" activities, shall we?

"Spending money is more exciting when it's stolen. Saving is much more meaningful if there is the possibility that someone can steal it."

"Life is more meaningful when someone is actively trying to kill you. Murder is much less exciting because it's wrong."

You see the problem? The notion that actively doing something awful to someone else makes what they have meaningful, and what you are doing exciting is just selfishness and justification.

You don't like monogamy? No one is forcing you into it. Unhappy with your [life | partner | marriage | whatever] and you think the answer is outside your agreed upon monogamous relationship? End it. Divorce is legal. Breaking up without marriage is even easier. There is no tyranny is a relationship you enter into of your own volition.

You have children? Don't be an asshole and hurt their other parent because you have issues. End the relationship before starting another one. Be the person your children can respect.

The other person in the relationship? Don't be that. Because you are being a party to deceit. No, you aren't the one cheating, and that justification only goes so far, but it still shows a base selfishness that informs your character. You ought to expect to be hated, because that weakness and selfishness that makes up your character is the instrument that harms someone else. In the pain that is being caused, you are the weapon that is being used by the person cheating to hurt their partner.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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TLDR; It is possible to like more than one individual. I for one doesn't understand why anyone would marry except for economical benefits/security. Personally, I would much rather have 2 or more girlfriends/partners who enjoy me and eachother than a marriage with one. Since I believe that the male sex drive is bigger than that of women, I don't understand why I should be limited to just enjoy one other woman. However…

I don't see how I could possibly pursue a second relationship and still give my relationship with my wife the time and energy it deserves.

Well if she would have a relationship with your new partner as well, they could spend time together while you do other stuff.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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> there is always a suspicion … that one is living a lie or a mistake; that something crucially important has been overlooked, missed, neglected, left untried and unexplored; that a vital obligation to one’s own authentic self has not been met, or that some chances of unknown happiness completely different from any happiness experienced before have not been taken up in time and are bound to be lost forever. In my opi…

This quote sounds childish imho. I know this feeling, I believe every teen feels this way, but I don't lose sleep over my decisions or "what if.." scenarios anymore. The most important truth and lesson learned during my life was "always be in truth with oneself and others": if you are not happy about something - change it or find the root cause and fix it, take responsibilities seriously and avoid lies whenever possi…

Well, yes, I agree, but it's thinking that is a festering sore in our Zeitgeist.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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>> So the acceptable "solution" to this imbalance is to socially force (through normalization of monogamy and marriage) women into relationships If you read into polygamous societies, it's often that (particularly very young) women are forced into relationships with socially powerful men. Not much to do with attraction.

To me, that sounds like a problem caused by patriarchy or other power imbalances: in many societies, men have great power (earning potential), women have little, and hence are forced to marry (preferably the richest man) to gain power. Of course you can address the symptom (women choosing the wealthier/more powerful men, leaving the men who are less-so without a mate), but the underlying disease remains: womens' choi…

There is no statistic difference between low earning and high earning women in the behavior of "marry up". There is also no difference between countries that have high income difference and those with smaller income difference. Marrying up is a global cultural pattern, identical to the pattern of men marrying a younger woman.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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Small bugfix: Regular blood tests* As any of your partners could be adding additional partners, and probably so could theirs. And if they're very open - they might casually have sex with someone else every weekend. Maintenance nightmare if you ask me. :P

The foundation of all relationships is trust. You can't hack around dishonesty. Don't be in a relationship with someone you can't trust if your health depends on it.

But, it's not dishonest in that case. If people are free to add partners as they like - then you can not _ensure_ that one of their partners (or their partner's partners, or partner's partner's partners, you get the point) respects that.

It increases the odds of getting an STD I believe. But I don't have numbers to back that up nor do I feel like looking for them now (sorry)

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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I wish social experimentation and progress happened at even 5% of the speed of technological progress.. why don't we just get rid of the idea that you 'own' your partner's body? It seems arcane and based in insecurity. If you can't handle even the slightest of erotic competition, how solid can the basis of your relationship be? (Sorry for the overly controvesial wording if my post, I realize that filing more open rel…

When I look at polygamous/polygynous societies today and in history, I'm not sure I see "social progress." In fact, for whatever its pitfalls may be, it appears that monogamy solves a large number of social ills that are perhaps larger than polygyny's own. Like large bands of males cast out with no prospects, so they resort to not-so-progressive behavior. Like the vikings: 'Polygyny created a pool of unmarried men mo…

That is an interesting way to look at it. Thank you for the reading suggestions! However it seems to me that this is only a problem for 'exclusive' polygamy, of which, one might say, traditional monogamy is just a subtype (the advantage of monogamy being that aproximately 50% of people are male/female, amd mostly hetero) But wouldn't a 'relaxed'/open approach be at least as good? Among obvious advantages like (presumably) less frustrated expectations, breaking of trust etc, you also wouldn't have to rely on 1:1 matching. People that might otherwise be sexually frustrated may have a chance at least at sexual relations, if perhaps not erotic (in the etymological sense) elationships. (One reason being that one may be less 'selective' when looking for a mate doesn't involve life long commitment) Also, there could be less conflict and risky behavior (designed to impress) stemming from competition over mates.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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This is interesting, a old friend once said: "If a woman wants to cheat on you. She will cheat on you while holding your hand"

Now that the chauvinist statement is out of the way. Men cheat too. :)

I don't think anyone can say that monogamy has anything to do with raising children. I do not see why the barbarous requirement for having sex with one person needs to even be there in the first place. I don't have the same car for the rest of my life, don't drink the same thing or eat the same thing every day for the rest of my life either. Why not be able to taste other flowers in the garden as well. That does not mean i don't love or care about the mother of my child. As long as i take care of my responsibilities regarding my children. I see no reason why this requirement is imposed by society. Other than pure culturalism and brainwashing, which one could argue is indirectly the same thing.

Maybe it has something to do with possession. Maybe insecurity that my wife will like John's dick more than mine or love his Porsche more than my Buick. Don't you want to find that stuff out early about your partner vs later... Isn't your partners ability and her/his care for your children more important than who he/she wants to screw every once in a while. I definitely agree that if your partner is a nympho, well maybe you should not have stuck your dick in crazy to begin with or pretend to embody the white knight syndrome to it's full extent.

I think this "monogamy" business matters way more when the people in the relationship are unequal to begin with. If they are equal , financially for example, which i feel matters a lot when you are co-raising your children. You do not feel as betrayed because, as far as your hard earned resources are concerned, she/he is not taking any, only the children are. So who cares who your partners wants to screw in their off time. Which leads me to think of the next possibility, possession. My oh my, this person is mine and mine only. Lol It's 2017, we do not hit women over the head with cave man bats and drag them to our layers. But in some countries i guess we still do and we expect them to shut up when we tell them to and bring our beers over to the couch or else they won't get the credit card the next time they go to the mall. Wait, i just realized i just described some people i know. :) There are only a few feedback loops you can take advantage of. Lol

Parents can parent without marriage or monogamy. Why can't they?

This is leftover idealism imposed by the church and land-rights interest groups from ages ago. It just so happens it was enforced and people attempt to adhere to it. But obviously the statistics are against their success. The more women become equal and educated. The more divorce there is and the less babies get born. If those things are happening, i don't see any reason why changes in the family structure should not happen as well.

Usually a systems homeostasis usually communicates something about the nature of it's processes. The divorce rates should tell us something. Now that the gloves are off regarding divorce being taboo or being shunned by your social circle, this is if you are living in a country which does not look down on you if you don't want to put up with your partners bs anymore and leave. If you do, well clearly you are living someone else's life.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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Just be polyamorous (see e.g. https://polyfidelity.org.au/about/polyamory/education/121-th... , http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/06/polyamory-is-boring/ ). If there is a need to have multiple partners instead of going the "traditional way" (one official partner + cheating or some shady don't ask don't tell arrangement) it seems much healthier to openly discuss needs and boundaries. We shouldn't just accept "system d…

What do you do when someone gets pregnant?

From the poly relationships I have observed - you talk about it with all involved, have a discussion about how the kid's going to get raised etc etc. It can get complicated depending on who is living where and such stuff. But then AFAICT everything in poly relationships takes quite a lot of thought and planning.

I think contraception and planning when you're going to have a kid and who with becomes even more critical.

Too much effort for me!

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