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Why Happy People Cheat

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Re: Why Happy People Cheat

#51
Maybe because the idea you can romantically love only one person is idiotic?

You can love more than one sibling, more than one parent, more than one sports team, more than one... you get the idea. Yet, when it comes to romantic love, nope, just the one.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

#52
post #2

I wish social experimentation and progress happened at even 5% of the speed of technological progress.. why don't we just get rid of the idea that you 'own' your partner's body? It seems arcane and based in insecurity. If you can't handle even the slightest of erotic competition, how solid can the basis of your relationship be? (Sorry for the overly controvesial wording if my post, I realize that filing more open rel…

>>why don't we just get rid of the idea that you 'own' your partner's body?

For the most part, people don't believe that they do. People think that they're owed honesty. There's an enormous difference.

I'm in a committed, long term relationship. If she decided that she didn't want to be with me anymore, I would be hurt but the honesty would prevent the hurt from being the anger that comes from betrayal.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

#53
post #2

I wish social experimentation and progress happened at even 5% of the speed of technological progress.. why don't we just get rid of the idea that you 'own' your partner's body? It seems arcane and based in insecurity. If you can't handle even the slightest of erotic competition, how solid can the basis of your relationship be? (Sorry for the overly controvesial wording if my post, I realize that filing more open rel…

I know you are talking of "evolution of sexual mores" when you say the phrase "experimentation and progress"... but let's entertain the notion that you got your wish granted by an evil genie.

If that was the case, at age 16 your older (18) sibling's behavior would be as outdated that she might as well be 80. Your parent's behaviour would be so alien and bizarra that they might as well be 16th century artisans; your grandparents would be somewhere between Ancient Egypt priests and Cro-Magnoon shamans. Earlier ancestors would be so far away that they would have to be modelled as non human inteligences.

What kind of society would you expect to develop around a bunch of people that cannot understand the motivations of even their closest kindred?

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

#54

I'm surprised by the moralistic comments and downvotes... EDIT: I removed the rest of the comment as it apparently offended many people.

"And I would be fine if my partner saw someone else too."

So why cheat then and not talk to your partner openly and come to an agreement? I know plenty of couples that let each other to have other partner(s), and that's totally normal. Playing with another human being feelings, on the other hand, is not imho.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

#55
post #29

TLDR; It is possible to like more than one individual. I for one doesn't understand why anyone would marry except for economical benefits/security. Personally, I would much rather have 2 or more girlfriends/partners who enjoy me and eachother than a marriage with one. Since I believe that the male sex drive is bigger than that of women, I don't understand why I should be limited to just enjoy one other woman. However…

>> Personally, I would much rather have 2 or more girlfriends/partners who enjoy me and eachother than a marriage with one. And they have other men in their lives too? You have some funny beliefs, and you'll find a thriving polyamory community out there that many women take part in. It's just that if you're not going looking for an exclusive relationship, neither are they.

> And they have other men in their lives too?

Haven't really thought about that. I guess it depends on the relationship I have with them. If we live together I rather like them to be bisexual, but I guess it would be ok for me to live like a collective and for them to enjoy other men. But then I would like to know these men and perhaps even live with them and the women.

> You have some funny beliefs, and you'll find a thriving polyamory community out there that many women take part in.

Well, I just like to enjoy life as much as possible because I am going to be dead for a long effing time.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

#56
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's a waste of breath to promote or condemn one mode of relationship over another. All that matters is what you and your partner(s) agree on for the terms of your relationship.

It can matter for legal reasons. Like what legal rights come with recognition of the relationship.

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Re: Why Happy People Cheat

#57
post #42
post #39

So affairs are 'wrong', but who would want to live in a world where there are no affairs? We excessively police and punish our partners, our friends' partners and our parents, but often hypocritically, when it comes to ourselves and our friends cheating will generally be forgiven. I am not even advocating abolishing the hypocricy. Without it affairs probably wouldn't be exciting and equally, faithful relationships wo…

Quite a lot of people, I'd think? The mature thing to do is leave, or discuss your needs honestly. If the enjoyment comes from the risk then you're getting your kicks at someone else's expense. That's really selfish.

If so, it is a form of moral extremism that I think would result in everyone being less happy (and with general confusion as to why people are unhappy). Possibility, even unacted on, is an important thing.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

#58
post #2

I wish social experimentation and progress happened at even 5% of the speed of technological progress.. why don't we just get rid of the idea that you 'own' your partner's body? It seems arcane and based in insecurity. If you can't handle even the slightest of erotic competition, how solid can the basis of your relationship be? (Sorry for the overly controvesial wording if my post, I realize that filing more open rel…

It's a personal thing. Some people don't like sharing one of the most intimate actions with their partner with other people. If you can't handle even the slightest of erotic competition, how solid can the basis of your relationship be? This is not helpful because some of the happiest relationships I know are very conservative (perhaps selfish in your view) relationships. Some people are monogamous, some aren't, no re…

It's certainly a personal decision, and I agree that there is no reason to make negative value judgments about two consenting adults deciding to uphold a (happy) monogamous remationship model. But the overwhelming dominance of this particular model is what seems suspect to me. Do all these people really prefer monogamy? Or rather, why do they? It seems very likely that it is due to societal pressure / 'conditioning' rather then 'authentic' personal preference. But this is of course nearly impossible to test.

I do not think it's 'selfish' to follow a monogamous relationship style. To make a somewhat contentious analogy, I wouldn't condemn people for being gay either (or for being straight for that matter). However it seems important that these various types of relationships are genuinely possible without stigma etc. In the case of hetero/homo/... -sexuality it's obvious that there is a biological mechanism behind the dominance of heterosexuality. In the case of 'open' relationships (especially in the case of a 'monogamous love, polygamous sex' -type relationship this is a lot less clear. If it turns out that this is not simply due to 'practicality' (or innate biology) it seems overly restrictive as a social norm. One might even say 'opressive' (in the sense that Prohibition arguably was, not trying to equate this with racism/..)

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

#59
post #31

Just be polyamorous (see e.g. https://polyfidelity.org.au/about/polyamory/education/121-th... , http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/06/polyamory-is-boring/ ). If there is a need to have multiple partners instead of going the "traditional way" (one official partner + cheating or some shady don't ask don't tell arrangement) it seems much healthier to openly discuss needs and boundaries. We shouldn't just accept "system d…

Your poly community has a lot of nerds because they don't have enough leverage to ask their s.o. to stop fucking other people.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

#60
post #31

Just be polyamorous (see e.g. https://polyfidelity.org.au/about/polyamory/education/121-th... , http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/06/polyamory-is-boring/ ). If there is a need to have multiple partners instead of going the "traditional way" (one official partner + cheating or some shady don't ask don't tell arrangement) it seems much healthier to openly discuss needs and boundaries. We shouldn't just accept "system d…

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