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Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

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Post by rowyourboat »

swang wrote: post #85
eksemplar wrote: post #6

I wonder what will happen to a generation obsessed with idols who don't contribute anything to society aside from memes, hot bodies and various rants. But I guess I'm just old and grumpy.

almost every "old" generation says this about the "new" generation. you can go back and look at articles and magazines that say the same thing about your generation. and when i say "your generation" i don't even know which "generation" you are. it doesn't matter since most likely there's been a negative article written about your age group regardless of how old you actually are.

Socrates famously complained about the lack of the youth's manners and respect.

Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

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Post by musage »

irahul wrote: post #62
derefr wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two usages to the word "vanity." The one you're referring to has more to do with dignity (the desire to be respected by everybody.) The property under scrutiny by the parent poster, though, is (I think) more like "narcissism"—the desire to be perceived as the best person ever by as many people as possible. The desire for dignity is universal; whereas narcissism is a (rather uncommon) personality flaw.

> dignity (the desire to be respected by everybody) Weird. I thought dignity is self-respect(not respect from others). So do you have a list of what earns you dignity vs what is narcissism? Like covering your gut in loose clothing is fine but god forbid you post your abs on insta where only people who see it are people who willingly followed you to see it and the people who went on to explore tab to see it and then j…

> So do you have a list of what earns you dignity vs what is narcissism? Like covering your gut in loose clothing is fine but

but what has it to do with dignity? And why would anyone need a "list"?

> Don't like it, don't seek it.

I can be aware of something and have an opinion about it without engaging in it. And I surely do not need your permission for that, and calling anything negative you don't like "complaining" without considering your own complaints as just silly.

> Build your reach and you are a model. Same goes for youtube - it has vastly empowered indie content creators.

Don't even need to go into models, they are there to sell product, but I'll just say that calling people "content creators" is like calling someone who is attacked as maybe not being such an earnest author a "page filler". That's the low we sunk to, that's already normalized. "Creating content" has as much "value" as people give it in form of "attention". The capitalism of the mind, the destruction of all information. Work 50 years, rob someone who worked 50 years, you can buy the exact same thing... get X views doing A, or X views doing B, it's still just X views.

I guess I should make a youtube video about it, then it'd be valid even if it called out other youtubers? Help me out here, since apparently typing a comment in a text box is not creating content if it rubs you the wrong way.

> Humans have been seeking validation from strangers since time immemorial

Yes, but that doesn't make it less dysfunctional, and others have been calling them out for being fucked in the head for just as long. The idea kinda is that you do not constantly "seek validation", but you already more or less have that figured out after a while, and then it's more about responsibilities and challenges and things you enjoy. And yes, it's fun to be liked. Just like it's fun to like people. But if validation and self-esteem are some kind of elusive fix you constantly have to seek, you're doing it wrong.

Last but not least: You're basically saying, if you found a bug, don't talk about it, fix your own copy and just use that. Fuck that. What would you know about ambition? What if my being better includes speaking my mind? Riddle me that.

Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

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Post by doldge »

barsonme wrote: post #13
jldugger wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we talking about millenials, or boomers here? Cuz the complaint seems it could lobbied at pretty much anyone.

All of the above, although I think millennials and Gen Z are demonstrably worse when it comes to vanity. My mother's a 2nd grade teacher and does the usual "what do you want to be when you grow up?" bit each year. The last couple years she's had a very significant number of her students say "YouTube or Instagram star" instead of the usual firefighter/police officer/doctor/soldier/etc. (Also not the most disturbing tr…

This is tangential, but I believe vanity has been increasing with every generation for a while now. Each generation is more vain then the generation that came before it.

I don't know if that statement holds beyond the last 100 years, but certainly it does till then. I would chalk it up to being the result of the communications expansion, with each year our audience increases (by virtue of our increasing ability to travel the world, and by the ever expanding internet), and with that expanding audience comes a desire for us to be liked by the greatest number of them, which involves out-competing everyone else.

Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

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Post by odiroot »

swang wrote: post #85
eksemplar wrote: post #6

I wonder what will happen to a generation obsessed with idols who don't contribute anything to society aside from memes, hot bodies and various rants. But I guess I'm just old and grumpy.

almost every "old" generation says this about the "new" generation. you can go back and look at articles and magazines that say the same thing about your generation. and when i say "your generation" i don't even know which "generation" you are. it doesn't matter since most likely there's been a negative article written about your age group regardless of how old you actually are.

I tend to be really careful with this generational judgement.

I'm 30 myself and I find a lot about my parents' generations to be good and naturally a lot bad things as well.

Now I'm frequently really tired of my generation (Gen Y, I guess) and, surprisingly, find recently that I'm really hopeful about Gen Z. They're like more polished version of us. Maybe it's an effect of growing up in post-financial-crisis world.

Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

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Post by jrimbault »

doldge wrote: post #93
barsonme wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of the above, although I think millennials and Gen Z are demonstrably worse when it comes to vanity. My mother's a 2nd grade teacher and does the usual "what do you want to be when you grow up?" bit each year. The last couple years she's had a very significant number of her students say "YouTube or Instagram star" instead of the usual firefighter/police officer/doctor/soldier/etc. (Also not the most disturbing tr…

This is tangential, but I believe vanity has been increasing with every generation for a while now. Each generation is more vain then the generation that came before it. I don't know if that statement holds beyond the last 100 years, but certainly it does till then. I would chalk it up to being the result of the communications expansion, with each year our audience increases (by virtue of our increasing ability to tr…

Or it's just an illusion. https://xkcd.com/1227/

The only "valid" (imo) complaint in this comic is in 1905:

>"The profession of letters is so little understood"

I wish the humanities played a larger role in our engineered society. I see a lot of technical people who've never read Popper (which is relevant to technical fields) or any other philosopher (which are always good reading, or at least interesting).

Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

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Post by arkadiytehgraet »

KGIII wrote: post #71
urspx wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>he last couple years she's had a very significant number of her students say "YouTube or Instagram star" instead of the usual firefighter/police officer/doctor/soldier/etc. To be fair, I'd rather be a youtube star than a professional murderer, too.

Which one of those professions is a professional murderer?

At the very least - police officer and soldier.

Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

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Post by mirimir »

pjc50 wrote: post #87
justboxing wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So you don't see a difference between Nope. There is no difference. @jonknee is right. I once met this camera grip boy at a boxing fight watch here in San Francisco. He worked at various sets in L.A., very close to the filming. He would say how he was on Kim Kardashian's "Reality Show" and how the whole thing was completely scripted for shock effect, drama etc. He said "They'd sometime do retakes and tell Kim - "Th…

Interesting tangent here. The growth in "reality" TV was driven by the desire to ditch a very particular kind of skilled, unionised talent: writers. The writers' strike caused a wave of these improvised shows that were pretending not to be acting, they became popular with the public, and the rest is history. Kim Kardashian's ethnicity is highly relevant as well. Hollywood is a very white place. There really aren't al…

Truth.

And remember, the Kardashians became celebrities at the OJ Simpson trial :)

Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

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Post by dingaling »

remarkEon wrote: post #32
barsonme wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of the above, although I think millennials and Gen Z are demonstrably worse when it comes to vanity. My mother's a 2nd grade teacher and does the usual "what do you want to be when you grow up?" bit each year. The last couple years she's had a very significant number of her students say "YouTube or Instagram star" instead of the usual firefighter/police officer/doctor/soldier/etc. (Also not the most disturbing tr…

>I'm really glad our country is at place where being funny on a social media website is enough to make a good living, but I can't help but feel there's something missing—something keeping them grounded. I am the opposite of "glad" about this. It's highly concerning to me. My sister is also a school teacher and her students are just 4th graders and see this as legitimate life goals. Think of how that forms the develop…

> and see this as legitimate life goals.

Well at least it is a goal.

When I was in secondary school in the UK ( mid-1980s ) career guidance was just being introduced as a concept. I think it was a couple of half-hour sessions one year and then being left with a folder of job descriptions.

So most of us in my year left school and picked a university course without having any career goal or aspiration. I am mid-40s now and still don't know what I want to do but unfortunately it is too late for many opportunities.

I have a good friend who was the school sports champion and even she just fell into an unrelated career by accident.

If kids today want to be YouTube stars then that's great, hopefully it will give them an objective and a reason to study particular subjects instead of "the teacher seems nice" or "I need to pick one subject from that category"

Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

#99

Post by sortaThrowaway »

pjc50 wrote: post #87
justboxing wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So you don't see a difference between Nope. There is no difference. @jonknee is right. I once met this camera grip boy at a boxing fight watch here in San Francisco. He worked at various sets in L.A., very close to the filming. He would say how he was on Kim Kardashian's "Reality Show" and how the whole thing was completely scripted for shock effect, drama etc. He said "They'd sometime do retakes and tell Kim - "Th…

Interesting tangent here. The growth in "reality" TV was driven by the desire to ditch a very particular kind of skilled, unionised talent: writers. The writers' strike caused a wave of these improvised shows that were pretending not to be acting, they became popular with the public, and the rest is history. Kim Kardashian's ethnicity is highly relevant as well. Hollywood is a very white place. There really aren't al…

"people who want a black star to look up to. Kim fills that gap in the market."

? Not sure what you mean. She isn't black.

Do you mean because Kanye is on there?

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