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Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

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Post by csydas »

anilshanbhag wrote: post #14

I shared your skepticism of Snapchat (I use Instagram pretty often and browse Facebook multiple times a day - rarely post on it). I recently hopped on the Snapchat bandwagon and here are a couple of things I really liked: > Less focus on metrics. There is no likes and you only see views if you really want to. This is bad for influencers but I have to give it that it is a good break from Instagram/Facebook where peopl…

I get the feeling that this is park of what guides the decisions from the board. One need only look at YikYak to see what happens when you mess too much with your winning recipe and how fast users will leave what they love. Snapchat's essence, the temporary nature of content and posts, is at odds with the financial aspect of it.

I'm going to guess that they want to try to find a way to capitalize on the spirit of Snapchat without compromising what actually brings people to the service. Maybe there's a way of doing this where popular posters are able to show metrics to advertisers, or maybe such a scenario is seen as detrimental to the spirit of the service, but I absolutely appreciate Snap Inc's caution about mucking up the formula too much here.

Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

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Post by wallflower »

I'm sorry for posting this here, in advance. However, this Like/Peer Approval culture has indirectly contributed to one of the worst wildfires in Oregon's history.

> A woman who was hiking over the weekend in the Columbia River Gorge said Tuesday that she happened across a teenager who threw "a smoke bomb" into Eagle Creek Canyon, igniting the now 10,000-acre Eagle Creek fire.

Liz FitzGerald, 48, of Portland said she's fairly certain that she heard the teenager's friends -- including a boy who was video-recording with his cellphone and some girls in the group -- giggle as the firework dropped down a cliff and into the trees below.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2...

Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

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Post by adventured »

jonahx wrote: post #63
jonknee wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think social media celebrities are doing?

So you don't see a difference between, say, kim kardashian's instagram feed and what a top hollywood actress does?

You may not respect the skillset in question, however Kim Kardashian is an extraordinarily talented entertainer. She knows what to give her audience to keep them watching her. And she managed to climb to the top in an already hyper crowded celebrity atmosphere.

I don't particularly care for Howard Stern's style of entertainment as an example. Tens of millions of people in the US over the last several decades, have, however. He's an extraordinary entertainer. Ryan Seacrest falls under that same brush.

The other thing these people have in common, they've all regularly made smart business decisions, another skill they share.

Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

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Post by Roritharr »

wallflower wrote: post #82

I'm sorry for posting this here, in advance. However, this Like/Peer Approval culture has indirectly contributed to one of the worst wildfires in Oregon's history. > A woman who was hiking over the weekend in the Columbia River Gorge said Tuesday that she happened across a teenager who threw "a smoke bomb" into Eagle Creek Canyon, igniting the now 10,000-acre Eagle Creek fire. Liz FitzGerald, 48, of Portland said she…

I don't think kids have only started doing stupid things when they discovered Snapchat/Instagram...

Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

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Post by swang »

eksemplar wrote: post #6

I wonder what will happen to a generation obsessed with idols who don't contribute anything to society aside from memes, hot bodies and various rants. But I guess I'm just old and grumpy.

almost every "old" generation says this about the "new" generation. you can go back and look at articles and magazines that say the same thing about your generation.

and when i say "your generation" i don't even know which "generation" you are. it doesn't matter since most likely there's been a negative article written about your age group regardless of how old you actually are.

Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

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Post by fooker »

inimino wrote: post #80
jedberg wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just replace Youtube Star with Movie star. At least growing up in LA, lots of my friends wanted to be movie stars and rock stars. Some of them actually are now. They apparently provide value to someone, because they make millions of dollars.

> They apparently provide value to someone, because they make millions of dollars. I would be careful with that kind of reasoning.

That is more or less the definition of providing value.

Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

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Post by pjc50 »

justboxing wrote: post #68
jonahx wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you don't see a difference between, say, kim kardashian's instagram feed and what a top hollywood actress does?

> So you don't see a difference between Nope. There is no difference. @jonknee is right. I once met this camera grip boy at a boxing fight watch here in San Francisco. He worked at various sets in L.A., very close to the filming. He would say how he was on Kim Kardashian's "Reality Show" and how the whole thing was completely scripted for shock effect, drama etc. He said "They'd sometime do retakes and tell Kim - "Th…

Interesting tangent here. The growth in "reality" TV was driven by the desire to ditch a very particular kind of skilled, unionised talent: writers. The writers' strike caused a wave of these improvised shows that were pretending not to be acting, they became popular with the public, and the rest is history.

Kim Kardashian's ethnicity is highly relevant as well. Hollywood is a very white place. There really aren't all that many opportunities for black character actresses. Or for people who want a black star to look up to. Kim fills that gap in the market.

Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

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Post by pjc50 »

barsonme wrote: post #13
jldugger wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we talking about millenials, or boomers here? Cuz the complaint seems it could lobbied at pretty much anyone.

All of the above, although I think millennials and Gen Z are demonstrably worse when it comes to vanity. My mother's a 2nd grade teacher and does the usual "what do you want to be when you grow up?" bit each year. The last couple years she's had a very significant number of her students say "YouTube or Instagram star" instead of the usual firefighter/police officer/doctor/soldier/etc. (Also not the most disturbing tr…

> I can't help but feel there's something missing

Expectations of livable pay from those jobs? Favourable media presentation of them?

Is it vanity or just adapting to the new economy?

Re: Snapchat’s Influencers Are Fleeing to Instagram for Money

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Post by wallflower »

Roritharr wrote: post #84
wallflower wrote: post #82

I'm sorry for posting this here, in advance. However, this Like/Peer Approval culture has indirectly contributed to one of the worst wildfires in Oregon's history. > A woman who was hiking over the weekend in the Columbia River Gorge said Tuesday that she happened across a teenager who threw "a smoke bomb" into Eagle Creek Canyon, igniting the now 10,000-acre Eagle Creek fire. Liz FitzGerald, 48, of Portland said she…

I don't think kids have only started doing stupid things when they discovered Snapchat/Instagram...

I agree and I want to clarify that Snapchat/Instagram/Twitter have created an amplification such that while kids may have done stupid things in the past, they are more likely to do it for an audience of their peers. The most mainstream example being YTers like Jake Paul who has taken MTV's Jackass into the New Media age. The less common examples being kids who are so self absorbed in their own world that they fail to take responsibility for what their actions incur. It is possible these teenagers who started the fire will escape consequences and (modern fire prevention techniques aside) the true tragedy is that the actions of a small group of individuals have affected the larger society irreparably. Like a jackass motorcycle rider weaving between cars on a major highway at 100+ mph, it is when your actions affect innocent bystanders that you are no longer just "selfie expressing".

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Post by Nanite »

Roritharr wrote: post #84
wallflower wrote: post #82

I'm sorry for posting this here, in advance. However, this Like/Peer Approval culture has indirectly contributed to one of the worst wildfires in Oregon's history. > A woman who was hiking over the weekend in the Columbia River Gorge said Tuesday that she happened across a teenager who threw "a smoke bomb" into Eagle Creek Canyon, igniting the now 10,000-acre Eagle Creek fire. Liz FitzGerald, 48, of Portland said she…

I don't think kids have only started doing stupid things when they discovered Snapchat/Instagram...

Well at least nowadays, they're more likely to self-incriminate.
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