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Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
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Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
#92What's amazing is the same people who blog or tweet saying that it is right that these companies ban these organizations based on content are the same people who seem to believe they believe in net neutrality. These people also spend tons of time online tweeting about how some group is acting to get rid of net neutrality. So are you for or against net neutrality? Make up your own mind if you're going to be criticizing others.
It's such a hypocrisy but nobody can speak out about this hypocritical behavior because then automatically they will be branded a nazi.
It's also stupid that every time I make comments like this that I have to clarify, double clarify, triple clarify that I am against these hate speech groups (which should be obvious), because if I don't include this line, I'm also suddenly a nazi.
All I'm saying is it's a hypocrisy if you passionately advocate for things that are completely contradictory to each other.
Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
#93Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
#94I'm glad to see this at the top of HN. If you aren't personally outraged by this, you should take a step back..try to be as objective as you possibly can...and consider what it really means. We are watching the collapse of the First Amendment. No matter how much we may hate what someone has to say, we should DEFEND the right for them to say it. That's a principle that makes this country what it is. Somehow this power…
What you are suggesting does not fall under the First Amendment, and indeed would be hugely freedom-denying.
Private individuals and businesses have always had the right to (non-violently) restrict speech in their private spaces. As long as they do not victimize a protected class, private businesses may reserve the right not to serve anyone.
Now, I am a statist so I am all for designating businesses as "essential infrastructure" and tightly regulating them. That being said, I'm not sure all the libertarian-types on HN would like it all that much.
Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This is how civil wars start, and I think the two sides should start recognizing this and not pandering to the loudest voice. You're roughly 9 months late with that comment.
The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best time is now.
The "second" best time would be the instant following the first best time! :) That leaves a continuum of "next best times" in between the first best time and now that one could have planted a tree.
Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
#96> Gab is aimed at people interested in “Western values, individual liberty, and the free exchange of ideas” looking to avoid the “special interests pushing a very specific agenda” in tech. If that dog whistle isn’t loud enough... Not sure that's a dog whistle. With even the article admiting they can't find a valid reason for it to have been kicked from the Play Store, it's almost a self fulfilling prophecy.
Once you start believing that all your political enemies are utilizing "dog whistles" and "code language", it's basically a lost cause. There's no arguing with someone who will literally assign a negative meaning to otherwise innocuous words and statements if they can't find anything real to nitpick.
> Once you start believing that all your political enemies are utilizing "dog whistles" and "code language"
Heh, just a month ago someone told me that Trump was using secret hand gestures towards Putin during dinner at some summit there were at. I thought ok sure, how do you disprove that.
"He scratched his nose, it seems". "Nah, that's code for body was buried in concrete successfully". "Alrighty then..."
Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's take Torba out of the equation and just say innocent Dev A wants to create a truly free speech platform, where anything goes and only illegal things get removed. Like voat, per se. We all see how that turned out. I'm kind of curious why we can't have an uncensored platform that represents both sides. Is it because good people prefer censorship?
Sorry, but while speech is protected, not all speech is protected. Hate speech and incitement of violence is a felony in most free democracies that protect speech.
Hate speech is protected in the USA.
Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
#98I find this odd. One person died at Charlottesville, potentially from an accident. Meanwhile there's been at least one intentional shooting with a higher death toll related to BLM, but there was no widespread "we need to shut this down" backlash there. But all of a sudden some random site writing mostly nonsense is some huge threat that we're gonna put aside neutrality and free speech for?
Regardless of your personal thoughts on BLM, the violence you're referring to is incidental; people involved in the violence may have ties to BLM but the did not commit the violence on behalf of BLM (indeed, BLM denounces all violence). On the other hand, the neo-nazi terrorists in this country are killing people explicitly to serve their ideology. Hate leads to action, and the last time we let these guys preach hate…
Nobody wants to defend neo-nazis, but it's unfair to give BLM a pass simply because they're a loosely defined group that doesn't explicitly call for violence. They organize events knowing people supporting their cause will become violent, and it has happened many times. They don't skirt all responsibility simply because they don't issue official membership cards.
Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
#99yikes... I'm conflicted. Not a huge fan of Torba, first of all. I checked out Gab a few times, and while I think intentions were good, there is a lot of hateful stuff there. That said, Gab as a platform and app doesn't itself promote hate, so I'm not sure I agree with removing it. That would be like removing Telegram because terrorists have been found to use it.
Following the same standards chrome, youtube (or any video player) and any IRC client should be removed from the play store because they can all be vehicles for hate speech. Chrome allows me to visit the daily stormer, how can that be allowed in the store?
Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's take Torba out of the equation and just say innocent Dev A wants to create a truly free speech platform, where anything goes and only illegal things get removed. Like voat, per se. We all see how that turned out. I'm kind of curious why we can't have an uncensored platform that represents both sides. Is it because good people prefer censorship?
Because the last time we let nazis spew their bile unchecked it led to a world war and millions of innocent people murdered. We're not going down that road again. End of discussion.
Communists are still okay though, right?
We still all agree that Communism's little "quirk" of killing millions every time it's tried is user error or whatever? Right?