next dilemma for a startup - figuring out which bit of the splinternet you are going to target - the chinese, the confederate, the islamic or the general part.
Doesn't seem like a very difficult choice to me.
Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
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Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
#42First they came for the Nazis, and I said nothing because I was not a Nazi.
Then they came for the far-right, and I said nothing because I was not a far-righter...
Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Much of it depends how public it is. For instance something like whisper needs to remove nudity/hate speech else they'll be kicked off iOS/playstore. But, you can still send it directly without issue.
Let's take Torba out of the equation and just say innocent Dev A wants to create a truly free speech platform, where anything goes and only illegal things get removed. Like voat, per se. We all see how that turned out. I'm kind of curious why we can't have an uncensored platform that represents both sides. Is it because good people prefer censorship?
Because the last time we let nazis spew their bile unchecked it led to a world war and millions of innocent people murdered. We're not going down that road again. End of discussion.
Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
#44Let's hope he doesn't sign up for hacker news.
If some of the comments in this thread are to be believed he'd fit right in.
Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
#45> Gab is aimed at people interested in “Western values, individual liberty, and the free exchange of ideas” looking to avoid the “special interests pushing a very specific agenda” in tech. If that dog whistle isn’t loud enough... Not sure that's a dog whistle. With even the article admiting they can't find a valid reason for it to have been kicked from the Play Store, it's almost a self fulfilling prophecy.
Once you start believing that all your political enemies are utilizing "dog whistles" and "code language", it's basically a lost cause. There's no arguing with someone who will literally assign a negative meaning to otherwise innocuous words and statements if they can't find anything real to nitpick.
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#46Meanwhile twitter is being used to threaten assassinations - https://twitter.com/search?q=assassinate%20trump&src=tyah I get there's ugly stuff on the internet, but when did all the platforms decide to start being the moral center of determining what's acceptable speech. Hate speech is still protected speech (in the US anyways)[1] no matter how horrible it is. > A law that can be directed against speech found offensi…
"when did all the platforms decide to start being the moral center of determining what's acceptable speech" When it became more profitable to do so, or they saw a PR angle. IMO businesses will cater to death cults that murder kittens if it makes money, but only until it becomes a PR problem. Real or imagined.
Or maybe they are private businesses run by people like you and me who like to have a say in what is published on their platform?
For a community that is very pro-company founders, I have a hard time getting a lot of the kneejerk reactions here.
Should physical stores not have a right to decide what they want and don't want to sell? Why should it be any different for Google's digital store?
Even if their reason is "the 3rd pixel on the 2nd row of their app icon is too red for our liking, we're taking it down", they're perfectly in their right. You, of course, are also perfectly in your right to not do business with them, or even launch your own competing business.
Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
#47Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Much of it depends how public it is. For instance something like whisper needs to remove nudity/hate speech else they'll be kicked off iOS/playstore. But, you can still send it directly without issue.
Let's take Torba out of the equation and just say innocent Dev A wants to create a truly free speech platform, where anything goes and only illegal things get removed. Like voat, per se. We all see how that turned out. I'm kind of curious why we can't have an uncensored platform that represents both sides. Is it because good people prefer censorship?
For public forums it may be that People just prefer to be isolated from the other side by a barrier larger than a single platform and therefore a single overarching takedown policy can provide.
I think Facebook skirts it because it doesn't really have a public forum rather it has a large buffet of build your own forums that are not publicly visible from each users friends feed and a "let's solve for a feed of content likely as possible to keep said user on our site using as much history / personal information we can datamine about them, their k-nn's, and users in general"
For example "how voat turned out" seems to be ideal for a certain portion of internet users unwelcome by other sites and so perhaps they congregate there thus skewing the sample towards the way it turned out.
Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
#49next dilemma for a startup - figuring out which bit of the splinternet you are going to target - the chinese, the confederate, the islamic or the general part.
I really like this comment. It's almost a mini sci-fi novel.
Plus it has insights.
Although the splinternet is huge. You have the Koreans and Japanese who have (had?) huge mega networks outside of "the general part" kept at bay by language and cultural reasons. But these walls wills fall and the one who does it will make a mint.
Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's take Torba out of the equation and just say innocent Dev A wants to create a truly free speech platform, where anything goes and only illegal things get removed. Like voat, per se. We all see how that turned out. I'm kind of curious why we can't have an uncensored platform that represents both sides. Is it because good people prefer censorship?
Sorry, but while speech is protected, not all speech is protected. Hate speech and incitement of violence is a felony in most free democracies that protect speech.
That is incorrect, and I respectfully disagree. You're half-way there. Hate speech is protected speech. Incitement of violence is completely different from hate speech, and it is absolutely illegal. Consider the following scenarios:
1) Standing up and saying "I hate black people. I wish they would all die." 2) Standing up and saying: "I hate black people, if you see them, kill them."
There's a clear difference here. The first is speech, an opinion, not directing action, advocating for violence, or to break a law. I say that's protected, as distasteful as it may be. The second is clearly criminal, and illegal. It is speech, but it is directing violence, and a law to be broken. That is the incitement of violence and a crime.