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Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

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I am white and male and the misogyny I've observed in tech has annoyed me . If it annoys me it must be intolerable to women. I believe every word of it and I could tell a few stories of things I've seen. I've seen a lot of other kinds of assholery too. Tech has an underbelly just like any other major industry. FWIW I've heard Hollywood and Wall St. are worse.

Have worked on Wall Street. It's not worse.

Finance in London basically funds the entire sex industry.

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Have worked on Wall Street. It's not worse.

Finance in London basically funds the entire sex industry.

Paying someone for sex is not the same as harassing your coworkers. You're also extremely naive if you think this doesn't happen in every other sales heavy industry.

London just happens to have a large financial sector. I can assure you that the same thing happens in the oil, tech, and real estate industries for example.

If we're taking about anecdotes, I had a friend in college who was a sex worker and most of her customers were in tech.

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Let's use this opportunity to clean out the stink. Including the fact that https://www.linkedin.com/in/jsmarr/ made Friendster (somewhat) popular by taking users registrations to hack into other user accounts. Register your email and password here: Now we will use your registration details on the major sites to scrape all the data we can. Huge violation that Joseph Smarr has never answered for.

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How is it that the old money industries of Wall Street and Hollywood, no vanguards of gender egalitarianism themselves, seem to have less flagrant sexual harassment issues? Do they keep them under wraps or are they just more mature by now?

They're better at keeping them under wraps. Check out the allegations against Brian Singer, director of the X Men films.

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Loads of unverifiable, anti-white racism piece of journalist as usual. I don't think this helps women that get harassed either since it dilutes everything into a bunch of terrible stuff. I personally just discard every racist article now.

I think this needs to stop, at least for this article, in HN. If this is about discrimination/mansplaining, I would have supported you. But things written in this article is correct and is bad for not only females but for the organisation as well.

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I know many people like that, and no, they don't derive an enjoyable power trip out of being rejected at all. Theybdon't know they can get away with it. They don't know that they are doing it . These people are rarely evil and predatory. They usually genuinely believe that the behavior they are exhibiting is desireable. They think that this is how the game is played, and these things are a form of peacocking. They th…

I know many people like that, and no, they don't derive an enjoyable power trip out of being rejected at all. Theybdon't know they can get away with it. They don't know that they are doing it. These people are rarely evil and predatory. They usually genuinely believe that the behavior they are exhibiting is desirable. Basically, power corrupts. Being a boss, an investor, or an employer comes with power. Just having t…

You may or may not be morally deficient, but by demanding certain behaviours of women, you're being misogynistic. Many women have had the experience of being physically threatened, or threatened with career damage, by a man they refused directly and with sincere clarity, and have therefore learned to reject with a softer line that doesn't put them at risk of harm. Oh, and no-one cares if that wasn't you or how you behave. Your failure to comprehend demonstrates a lack of sophistication on your part. Don't blame women for your attribution error; help us fix the other men instead.

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I think it's important to distinguish that these aren't people who are necessarily assholes to everyone. They have plenty of friends and acquaintances who would never believe they'd do something like this. And others who upon hearing it, would've assumed it was a harmless misunderstanding. I think one of the larger problems that society is struggling with is the idea that two different people can be in very similar p…

How does their niceness in other situations matter?

It matters because it creates a situation where one set of people have an awful experience with someone, and another set all say "well, in my experience he's perfectly nice and would certainly never do something like that..."

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I think it's important to distinguish that these aren't people who are necessarily assholes to everyone. They have plenty of friends and acquaintances who would never believe they'd do something like this. And others who upon hearing it, would've assumed it was a harmless misunderstanding. I think one of the larger problems that society is struggling with is the idea that two different people can be in very similar p…

How does their niceness in other situations matter?

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Harassment goes both ways. I have worked in Silicon Valley for 8 years. I have heard women managers and even a CEO say and do inappropriate things. Not only did the woman CEO say horrible things about her employees, she was also a bad CEO.

I've watched a COO of NYSE listed company on stage at company meeting describe something bad as 'gay' with 0 repercussions

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Intellectual consistency would require acknowledging the systematic repression of women in western history (not being able to vote, etc), and thus, the effects of what is still a patriarchial culture as often as not. In other words, your argument attempts to ignore simple historical facts which you can verify easily on Wikipedia.

Where did I ignore that? I called their behavior reprehensible. I'm just saying that it's unlikely the behavior exists in a vacuum and that things are never as black and white as they're made out to be. Historical oppression doesn't justify questionable behavior. I've seen many instances where women have "dated up" to help their careers. I even saw one instance where a female director dated the CTO and later the CFO…

So if, say, 1,000 men got completely unsolicited propositions, groping, etc. and one man "dated up" at a company with women in high leadership positions, would you argue that those problems are exactly equally important and exactly equally serious and make sure to post comments about how incredibly important it is to ensure some balanced coverage and make sure everyone knows that it's not just solely a one-sided issue? Would you make sure to imply that anyone who focused on the much more common case was "justifying questionable behavior"? And try to drag the topic away from the common case?

Do you also do this in discussions of any other topic whatsoever? Whenever someone posts something about HTTP, do you make sure to post comments about Gopher and present it as being just as important?

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