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Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

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Post by parineum »

cbhl wrote: post #107
austenallred wrote: post #18

I had always heard the constant murmur of sexual harassment happening in the Valley, but I was never sure if there was any merit to it. I anecdotally had never seen anything that would even come close to a situation like those described, so I kind of brushed it off. But then articles like these come out. Wow. These are some of the kingpins of Silicon Valley shown sexually harassing with hard, factual evidence. I had…

If you work at a tech-company, you might think, "oh, that happens at Uber, but not here". It almost certainly does. One of the easiest things men can do to help is collect those stories anonymously, curate them, and share them broadly. (For example: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-23/at-google... ) Women shouldn't have to bear the brunt of the burden of making the majority believe them.

> Women shouldn't have to bear the brunt of the burden of making the majority believe them.

Accusers always bear the burden of providing evidence.

What people need to do is actually reserve their judgement. There's no need to choose sides when it's two people's words against each other.

For a victim, it's great to speak up, even with no evidence, in the event that there is a pattern and other may speak as well, like with what's happened with Bill Cosby. But if you have no evidence, people shouldn't just believe you but they also shouldn't call you a liar.

The rush to judgement is toxic.

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Post by gcatalfamo »

Without defending anyone, My honest takeout by the whole sexual harassment threshold in the bay area or the US in general is that you could never end up together or even married with a colleague in that paranoid atmosphere.

Which is exactly what I did where I live in Italy. Happily married and yes, after saying things to a colleague of mine that would have made me accused in the bay area.

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Post by watwut »

bobdole1234 wrote: post #390
haikuginger wrote: post #272

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> So, these men have often gone through life being wildly successful with this type of behavior up until society started to change around them. I feel so bad for them. /s

I'm not saying you should feel bad for them. I'm saying that's why it's so common: It's been a viable strategy for a long time.

I am not radical feminist enough yet to accept that theory.

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Post by erikb »

notacoward wrote: post #223

News flash: finance guys have predatory attitudes toward women. OK, not news at all. VC is part of the finance industry. No, it's not "disruptive" or in opposition to that industry in any way. Just look at who's putting all that money in before it's doled back out to entrepreneurs. Look at who has the power to force someone like McClure out. Yep, just a differently decorated branch office of Wall Street. VC partners…

"toward women"? Toward anybody including each other.

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Post by likelynew »

sokoloff wrote: post #258
gizmo wrote: post #226

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Regardless of intent, this contributes to the problem. A lot of mentoring and networking happens on a 1:1 basis, and if men refuse to meet women 1:1 in situations where they would meet with other men, then women will lose out on career opportunities.

This. In taking a new role several years ago, I had selected a woman to be part of my new leadership team. I was counseled by a peer (of sorts) to never take a closed-door 1:1 meeting with her; that it was simply too risky. How the hell am I supposed to run a department without ever having a closed-door 1:1 meeting with 1/4 of my leadership team? I ignored the warning and things of course played out just fine, but it…

I also think the same way. In my experience, most single guys can be divided into two categories, ones who have predatory attitudes for girls or the ones who has fear talking to females. Both are actually bad for the girls.

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Post by linkregister »

ableton wrote: post #439
linkregister wrote: post #402

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The West? The ratio of women board members, executives, and engineers is far higher in China than in the U.S. I think you're being down voted because of a combination of false premises and arguing a strawman, "eliminate gender." Nobody is trying to do that.

I wasn't comparing the west to China. I just don't know a whole lot about feminism over there so I didn't include it. Gender is the distinction between men and women. If you eliminate the distinction, which feminism is trying to do as quickly as possible (along with LGBTQFHTKEO), you eliminate the concept of gender alltogether.

You were talking about disliking equality movements in the West. I was adding that it's happening in China and other Asian nations too. So that leaves you with... the Middle East and Africa?

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Post by pjwal »

Let's use this opportunity to clean out the stink. Including the fact that https://www.linkedin.com/in/jsmarr/ made Friendster (somewhat) popular by taking users registrations to hack into other user accounts.

Register your email and password here: Now we will use your registration details on the major sites to scrape all the data we can. Huge violation that Joseph Smarr has never answered for.

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

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Post by gcatalfamo »

As I was trying to say in the techcrunch submission, without defending the real assholes, my honest takeout by the whole sexual harassment threshold in the bay area or the US in general is that you could never end up together or even married with a colleague in that paranoid atmosphere.

Which is exactly what I did where I live in Italy. Happily married and yes, after saying things to a colleague of mine that would have made me accused in the bay area.

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