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Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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I hate to break it to you, but if you enter the left-most lane of the autobahn doing 112 km/h, you DO NOT have enough time to plan. There could be a vehicle doing 250 km/h overtaking you in the left lane, behind a curve, and you wouldn't even see them until they rear-ended you doing 2x your speed...

Don't drive 250km/h if you cannot see the traffic ahead. It's a public road. No speed limit != no responsibility.

It's the autobahn.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Don't drive 250km/h if you cannot see the traffic ahead. It's a public road. No speed limit != no responsibility.

It's the autobahn.

Elementary traffic rules still apply, and driving far above the "recommended speed" ("Richtgeschwindigkeit") of 130km/h puts extra burden of care on you. You have to expect people driving speeds around that.

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I couldn't stop feeling like this page is nothing else but a promotion for "Model S" which is "superior and now" rather than the other car which is "inferior and 1 year later". Price would've been the biggest (and only) reason for "Model 3" but it's not shown on the page. Added extra details for "Model 3" is a nice trick to boost virality of the promotion aimed at its target audience -- potential Model 3 buyers. Well…

Yeah. I reserved the Model 3 a while ago, but I've been leaning more and more toward just canceling it and getting a Model S. Even though I can afford it, it's just a lot of money for someone like me who isn't really a "car person" anyway.

You could get a used Model S for a little more than a new Model 3. The autopilot won't be as good, but it will have better performance and free supercharging. Plus it's already available.

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There is a misconception that the Model 3 is the most advanced Tesla model simply because it is the newest Tesla model. This was cannibalizing the sales of the Model S more than Tesla expected it to. Buyer who could afford a Model S or Model X were waiting for the Model 3 because they were under the mistaken belief that the Model 3 would offer all the newest, cutting edge technologies and self-driving capabilities. A…

For what you get, $100,000 is a complete rip-off. Now if you are buying exotic cars, sure, $100,000 is nothing.

The only other $100k+ car I've ever driven is a Range Rover. So I'm not an expert, but I feel like the Model S is considerably "more for the money". Faster acceleration, no gas, large screen, etc. I realize that's not why people buy Range Rovers, but my point is that even with most things being subjective, you can't reasonably call a Model S "a complete rip-off".

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Full price is on the model 3 page at https://www.tesla.com/model3 $35,000

Starting at $35,000. Nobody has any idea what power windows and an air conditioner are going to cost. This is an important distinction.

Keep in mind the reservation is refundable.

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If you're one of the people who put down the $1K refundable deposit, how do you feel about this page? I understand they're trying to push Model S sales, but don't do it at the expense of customers willing to wait years and put a hefty deposit down. This strikes me as a rare misplay by Tesla. The Model 3 comes with a glass roof standard so it's conveniently left out of the premium options section -- that's pretty misl…

I'm one of those people. I think the deposit was put down in a moment of excitement, which has since died down quite a bit. Not only am I one of those people who gave them a deposit, I'm also likely one of those people who they meant to target: I drive a BMW 3-series, which would be the Model 3's main competitor. Now given all that, this display made me really not excited about the Model 3. Electric car is nice but t…

A decent chance of decreasing the severity of a collision or even avoiding it.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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I think they are hoping to capitalize on the folks that want electric to save the planet or find the autopilot software worth paying extra for.

Civics have autopilot, too.

Yes, but how many lives has it saves per million miles driven?

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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I'm one of those people. I think the deposit was put down in a moment of excitement, which has since died down quite a bit. Not only am I one of those people who gave them a deposit, I'm also likely one of those people who they meant to target: I drive a BMW 3-series, which would be the Model 3's main competitor. Now given all that, this display made me really not excited about the Model 3. Electric car is nice but t…

I honestly care less about the all-electric than the autopilot features. Don't really want to spend 100k on a car, but want it to drive for me.

Just because you like driving doesn't mean it won't see something before you do. 12 or so cameras, ultrasound, and radar might well draw attention to something before you'd notice it otherwise. Even 0.5 seconds warning might well significantly decrease the severity of a crash or even avoid it.

The move obvious example is when a car two cars in front of a tesla had an accident and the telsa warned about it before most people would have noticed.

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Personally I could never drive a ICE car when an equivalent electric vehicle presented itself. I would never forgive myself. Everyone needs to get to electric cars as soon as possible or we cook and die here on Earth. It makes the arguments about the interior seem really tone deaf. Again, personally. EDIT: Autopilot and constant software updates are huge.

I think your response is a bit narrow and takes my response out of context. It also ignores a number of other issues to make electric cars look better than they really are. 1. Electric cars use a lot of copper and lithium. Mining of both are horribly polluting. The worst EPA superfund site is a former copper mine. Lithium mining is also pretty bad. However they are at least localized. Electric cars still need power,…

Tesla reported that air bags being triggered dropped by 40% when they turned on the autonomous braking. Do you consider that "a novelty"?

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Personally I could never drive a ICE car when an equivalent electric vehicle presented itself. I would never forgive myself. Everyone needs to get to electric cars as soon as possible or we cook and die here on Earth. It makes the arguments about the interior seem really tone deaf. Again, personally. EDIT: Autopilot and constant software updates are huge.

I think your response is a bit narrow and takes my response out of context. It also ignores a number of other issues to make electric cars look better than they really are. 1. Electric cars use a lot of copper and lithium. Mining of both are horribly polluting. The worst EPA superfund site is a former copper mine. Lithium mining is also pretty bad. However they are at least localized. Electric cars still need power,…

Hey thanks for the reply. Sounds like you've also thought quite a bit about this. I'd like to offer my thoughts on your numbered points.

For 1, you're right, we have to mine minerals to get these cars to work. I'm not really sure how much more polluting the production of Lithium and copper is compared to steel, but I assume it's bad. However in the long term I assume most of those polluting mining processes could be electric, could they not? The point is that long term you could make mining those minerals completely clean.

For 2, you're right there are plenty of electric cars you can buy right now. And obviously Tesla interiors aren't terrific, we all know that. The main reason I would choose Tesla is that EVs are their bread and butter. Chevy and Nissan have an interest in keeping ICE cars going, so supporting them doesn't align with the goal of making all cars electric long term.

For 3, you pretty much hit the nail on the head with Tesla being a software company where other companies see software as a cost center. As far as the autopilot goes, you should cut Tesla a little bit of slack, because while their software is not true-to-the-name autopilot, they are also limited by regulators with how much freedom they can give the driver to rely on the software. So in many places where autopilot falls short of being true autopilot, it's likely due to regulators holding them back.

So that's my take on things. I'm in my early 20s, and I take you to be a gen Xer. You know, as an aside, I am really disheartened by Gen X's lack of passion for climate change, no offense to you. I love HackerNews but I get a little sad when I see people blow it off. I strongly believe that how we handle this climate disaster will define humanity's fate in the 21st century, but coming here people seem very relaxed about the whole thing. Oh well. Cheers.

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