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Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by stupidhn »

kylec wrote: post #163
magoon wrote: post #52

It still needs to compete with a $35k-ish sedan, which will have a driver display and power liftgate.

If given the choice I prefer a non-powered trunk opening. Opening and closing a trunk provides no hardship for me, and doing it myself is much faster than waiting for a mechanism.

>If given the choice I prefer a non-powered trunk opening

Being able to pop your trunk (and have it open) on your approach to the car is actually quite convenient. I didn't think much of it until I had the option. I wouldn't call it a deal-breaker though.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by sxates »

hangonhn wrote: post #179
crush-n-spread wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I could never drive a ICE car when an equivalent electric vehicle presented itself. I would never forgive myself. Everyone needs to get to electric cars as soon as possible or we cook and die here on Earth. It makes the arguments about the interior seem really tone deaf. Again, personally. EDIT: Autopilot and constant software updates are huge.

I think your response is a bit narrow and takes my response out of context. It also ignores a number of other issues to make electric cars look better than they really are. 1. Electric cars use a lot of copper and lithium. Mining of both are horribly polluting. The worst EPA superfund site is a former copper mine. Lithium mining is also pretty bad. However they are at least localized. Electric cars still need power,…

To be fair on #1, even considering the entire supply chain and lifecycle of an EV vs ICE, the EV comes out WAY ahead of the ICE in terms of carbon impact. Even better if you have solar panels on your roof, or live in a place like California that has a significant amount of renewables in the main grid.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by remarkEon »

mrexroad wrote: post #149
anindha wrote: post #103

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Why not drop Model from the name? Porsche 911 vs Porsche Model 911. Tesla S vs Tesla Model S.

Ironically, the Porsche 911 was originally supposed to be the 901, but Citroen owned 901 so Porsche had to rename.

Someone needs to put together a history of vehicle naming conventions. Like things in the military, it's kind of fascinating how things wind up getting called what they do.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by michaldudek »

bitsoda wrote: post #156

If you're one of the people who put down the $1K refundable deposit, how do you feel about this page? I understand they're trying to push Model S sales, but don't do it at the expense of customers willing to wait years and put a hefty deposit down. This strikes me as a rare misplay by Tesla. The Model 3 comes with a glass roof standard so it's conveniently left out of the premium options section -- that's pretty misl…

I have put down the deposit and don't really care until final unveiling. I understand their goals in upselling Model 3 reservation holders.

I don't really mind that the $1000 is holding my position in line at Tesla. Otherwise it would sit useless in my bank account.

It is a bit depressing how they downsell the Model 3, but I'm hoping it's just their weird strategy. If some people pull their deposits then even better, I can get my car sooner :P

But I definitely won't be buying before test driving it.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by abraves10001 »

jedberg wrote: post #175

I was at a Tesla dealership the other day, and the "sales associate" or whatever they call them was really pushing me away from the Model 3. He said, "Think of it like an electric Civic. It has no luxury features. The dashboard is a flat board like a picnic table. It has no speedometer or any gauges in front of the driver (it's all on the touchscreen in the middle). It doesn't have air conditioning on the passenger s…

Unbelievable. Like, I literally don't believe it.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by vkou »

br0ke wrote: post #73
Nursie wrote: post #54

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Yeah, full price was not on the next page either - Click "Reserve" and they ask for $1000, but with no indication of the final price!

Full price is on the model 3 page at https://www.tesla.com/model3 $35,000

Starting at $35,000. Nobody has any idea what power windows and an air conditioner are going to cost.

This is an important distinction.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by vkou »

jedberg wrote: post #187
hangonhn wrote: post #184

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Oh wow. Do they really think they can succeed with that? A Civic is a LOT cheaper than a Model 3. If Tesla can drive Model 3's price to be competitive with the Civic, then they really, really deserve a lot of accolade. A world with electric Civics would be a huge step forward for the world.

I think they are hoping to capitalize on the folks that want electric to save the planet or find the autopilot software worth paying extra for.

Civics have autopilot, too.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by vkou »

msh wrote: post #23
Roritharr wrote: post #6

I'm really interested in the topspeed. For german customers all the current gen EVs(Bolt/i3/Leaf/Ioniq) with a topspeed of 140-150km/h are to my opinion not really save to drive on the Autobahn as you don't have some speed buffer to overtake someone who's driving 120-130km/h fast enough. If Tesla manages to give the Model 3 a top-speed of 200km/h that would be a game-changer and make it a viable car for me. The Model…

Do you really need to overtake someone doing 130 km?

On the Trans-Canada - yes, absolutely. The limit on large stretches of it is 120, and in good conditions, traffic moves at 135-140.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by jackhack »

arscan wrote: post #85
dgudkov wrote: post #29

I couldn't stop feeling like this page is nothing else but a promotion for "Model S" which is "superior and now" rather than the other car which is "inferior and 1 year later". Price would've been the biggest (and only) reason for "Model 3" but it's not shown on the page. Added extra details for "Model 3" is a nice trick to boost virality of the promotion aimed at its target audience -- potential Model 3 buyers. Well…

I think this is in reaction to the confusion over Model 3 being the "next version" of the Model S. People might be holding off on buying the S because they think that the 3 is better. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/845278449811939328 . When asked why he named it Model 3 in that thread, his response was: "Because I was a dumb idiot and didn't realize at the time that it would cause confusion". This mistake seems…

>>People might be holding off on buying the S because they think that the 3 is better.

But model 3 is $35k vs Model S @ $80k-$120k. These feel like two very, very different markets.

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