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Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by VLM »

masklinn wrote: post #38
panzer_wyrm wrote: post #21

While not rotting in prison is great - isn't it strange that Manning was pardoned, while there are a lot more pardon deserving persons among the other whistleblowers of the era. Nothing good or interesting came from those leaks. And they were legitimate threat to US security. And Snowden ones were responsible, curated and only in the areas where rights of US citizens were infringed. And yet he is stranded in Russia (…

> While not rotting in prison is great - isn't it strange that Manning was pardoned Manning was not pardoned, her sentence was commuted. She is still considered guilty on all grounds on which she was convicted. > And Snowden ones were responsible, curated and only in the areas where rights of US citizens were infringed. > And yet he is stranded in Russia (1/6 of the world, so not bad). > What is the lesson - if you l…

There's a lot of people working hard to bring those conditions back to the workplace.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by belltaco »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #46
rosalinekarr wrote: post #3

This is long overdue. Chelsea will probably be doing interviews soon, and since [she's already been pretty outspoken about internet freedoms][1], she may even bring some much needed attention to issues like net neutrality, government surveillance and the never ending erosion of our online rights. Let's hope the media doesn't tear her apart. [1]: https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/847264510247190532

Unfortunately, many of the people that need convincing with regards to net neutrality and online rights also view her as a traitor with mental problems and thus "normal, patriotic Americans" should not worry about these things, except to prevent "liberals" from creating more "regulations" for companies and putting up barriers to keep our law enforcement from finding the "terrorists'" plans.

I don't know why other posters are disputing your assertions.

Lets cut through all the noise and look at the President's uncut opinion on net neutrality.

>Donald J. Trump‏ Verified account

>@realDonaldTrump

>Obama’s attack on the internet is another top down power grab. Net neutrality is the Fairness Doctrine. Will target conservative media

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/53260835850816716...

So there, that's what about one third of the country are led to believe about net neutrality. Just like with all the fake news recently, facts and rebuttals don't help one bit, and make the believers believe even more in their own "facts".

Good luck getting Breitbart and conservative radio on board with NN, they are fundamentally opposed to anything Obama did, plus are skeptical of govt regulations and there is a lot of money to be made from the cable industry fight on NN.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by jwilk »

mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #127

Why is this on Hacker news?

From the HN guidelines:

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Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by atmosx »

wernsey wrote: post #129
lightbyte wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Amended his requirements" aka "Oh shit, I didn't think you'd actually do it. I was only kidding!"

Not to mention that it is the Swedes that want to talk to him. The US hasn't called for his extradition.

> The US hasn't called for his extradition.

Maybe not. But I don't think he decided to spend 3-4 years in the Ecuadorian UK embassy because he's having fun there.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by zeveb »

mason240 wrote: post #17
beaconstudios wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the "having been a whistleblower in the most powerful government on the planet" part of Chelsea's story is considerably more risky than the "is transgendered" part. There aren't many people running around "gunning for" trans people in the same sense that there are people "gunning for" informants. Primarily in the sense that in the latter case they use actual guns.

Manning was not a whistleblower.

Yup, since nothing he revealed indicated anything to whistle-blow on. All he did was unlawfully share material which turned his stomach — none of it was illegal, none of it was criminal, none of it was even unethical.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by michaelsbradley »

CaptSpify wrote: post #57
myaccountzz wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if I told you to address me as a King, you'd do that too?

No, because being a King would be inaccurate. It is a position with political and social power, which you don't have.

In the same way that he lacks the genetic code to be "she", or to be an elephant (either gender); similarly he lacks the ancestry to be a black man (African American), even if he'd really, really like to be accepted socially and legally as a black man. Nor could he be or become a toaster oven, even if a judge in good standing declared him to be one.

In other words, it's a form of self-deception, with perhaps many causal factors, even pitiable ones. Beyond the scope of the individual, it becomes a socially enjoined delusion — a kind of "community madness". It's unhealthy for our society and a sign of deeply troubled times.

For my part, I would never knowingly refer to a person — in public or private, in written or spoken word — in a manner that is contradictory to his or her biological sex. I wouldn't be a jerk about it, but it's not something I'd be willing to do, even if the consequences of not doing so were most severe and irreversible.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by Cakez0r »

aparadja wrote: post #132
mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #127

Why is this on Hacker news?

Hacker News isn't exclusively about startups and software.

No, but the guidelines do say that political news stories are generally considered off topic and I'm not sure there's any interesting discussion to be had or new insight to be gained from this article. It just seems to have invited mostly vitriolic, off-topic debate.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by rmc »

beaconstudios wrote: post #12
pavel_lishin wrote: post #2

I hope she's alright after this; there might be people literally gunning for her, even if she wasn't trans.

I think the "having been a whistleblower in the most powerful government on the planet" part of Chelsea's story is considerably more risky than the "is transgendered" part. There aren't many people running around "gunning for" trans people in the same sense that there are people "gunning for" informants. Primarily in the sense that in the latter case they use actual guns.

Plenty of trans women are murdered around the world on a daily basis, and yes, including the USA.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by sctb »

datatan wrote: post #18

Extremely rare and almost exclusive leftists killing people on the right. Like the JFK assassination (JFK was a conservative)

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