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Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by beaconstudios »

angry-hacker wrote: post #112
beaconstudios wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the "having been a whistleblower in the most powerful government on the planet" part of Chelsea's story is considerably more risky than the "is transgendered" part. There aren't many people running around "gunning for" trans people in the same sense that there are people "gunning for" informants. Primarily in the sense that in the latter case they use actual guns.

But he was not a whistleblower, there was nothing important to leak besides bunch of state's secrets. The leaks held no value.

I'd argue that the Collateral Murder videos triggered considerable controversy and criticism against the US military's attitude to airstrikes. The cable leaks also caused a fair amount of political embarrassment. So it depends on what you consider to be valuable - I'd say direct evidence of airstrikes being triggered against civilians with minimal oversight alone is valuable to a citizenry that wants to keep tabs on military accountability and push for change.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by TheGirondin »

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #109
TheGirondin wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am genuinely curious why you think it is cause for celebration that bratty solider who made a massive blind data dump of classified information to sabotage the US military had their punishment drastically reduced.

I'm not interesting in explaining myself to nationalists. I will, however, say that 7 years of prison can be devastating for anyone but 35 years can totally ruin their life with virtually no chance of recovery. Most people have support systems, but will they still be intact after nearly half the average life span? Regardless of your opinion of what Manning did, the fact that she is no longer in prison means that at l…

>I'm not interesting in explaining myself to nationalists.

I'm sorry you don't feel you can defend your beliefs.

>Regardless of your opinion of what Manning did, the fact that she is no longer in prison means that at least one more person has a chance at life. Isn't that worth celebrating?

This can be said about every criminal. Do you wish for all criminals to be released?

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by asdfGUYasdfn »

masklinn wrote: post #38
panzer_wyrm wrote: post #21

While not rotting in prison is great - isn't it strange that Manning was pardoned, while there are a lot more pardon deserving persons among the other whistleblowers of the era. Nothing good or interesting came from those leaks. And they were legitimate threat to US security. And Snowden ones were responsible, curated and only in the areas where rights of US citizens were infringed. And yet he is stranded in Russia (…

> While not rotting in prison is great - isn't it strange that Manning was pardoned Manning was not pardoned, her sentence was commuted. She is still considered guilty on all grounds on which she was convicted. > And Snowden ones were responsible, curated and only in the areas where rights of US citizens were infringed. > And yet he is stranded in Russia (1/6 of the world, so not bad). > What is the lesson - if you l…

You know, the conditions of these two should have been an environments similar to those in GITMO. I have no sympathy for these people.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by novia »

tree_of_item wrote: post #107
novia wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I should think women care a lot that men are now allowed in their spaces based on an internal sense of "gender". No. We don't. Transwomen are welcome in our bathrooms, locker rooms, and spas.

Here are a few women who disagree with you: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/5dwaqy/peak...

There are 7126 subscribers to the subreddit you linked. A notable feminist subreddit that is actively not transphobic (that I am not going to link to because I love it and I do not want it to be brigaded) has 214400 subscribers. So your sample is about 3% of the internet population if we believe that reddit is a representative sample.

I sincerely believe that the vast majority of women are tired of being used as an excuse for bigotry.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by lightbyte »

korzun wrote: post #108
lightbyte wrote: post #87

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"Amended his requirements" aka "Oh shit, I didn't think you'd actually do it. I was only kidding!"

> "Amended his requirements" aka "Oh shit, I didn't think you'd actually do it. I was only kidding!" ? He was never going to do it in the first place. Do you really think that a president would reverse a pardon if Julian Assange did not stand by his words?

I think you misunderstood what I meant

>He was never going to do it in the first place.

That is what I was implying. Julian didn't think Obama would actually commute the sentence so said he'd turn himself in for free PR points.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by wernsey »

lightbyte wrote: post #87
miles_matthias wrote: post #70

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He has since amended his requirements. Listen to his interview here: https://theintercept.com/2017/04/19/intercepted-podcast-juli...

"Amended his requirements" aka "Oh shit, I didn't think you'd actually do it. I was only kidding!"

Not to mention that it is the Swedes that want to talk to him. The US hasn't called for his extradition.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by lucideer »

smnscu wrote: post #92
lojack wrote: post #31

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Don't mean to be a pendant, but he didn't pardon her. Officially her punishment was commuted. The former forgives the crime and the latter simply reduces the penalty for the crime.

Don't mean to be pedantic, but the word is pedant (a person who is excessively concerned with minor details and rules or with displaying academic learning), not pendant (a piece of jewellery that hangs from a chain worn round the neck).

The mispelling may have been intended as an ironic joke.
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