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Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Id say there is some overlap between the two groups..

And you would be wrong.

Can you elaborate on that, datatan? I'm not saying lawless is necessarily correct, but from the confidence of your statement, it sounds like you have data to show otherwise. Would you mind sharing that? I feel it would make a good talking point in this thread.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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It's totally relevant. Trans people experience attacks at a much higher rate than the background population.

Can you please provide some data to support this? I am unaware of any crime statistic that has transgender as an attribute. It is very easy to make broad sweeping statements like yours but to be taken seriously the majority of people prefer data to support those accusations.

Heres a good article https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/16/us/hate-crime...

It should be noted that Trans people aren't yet fully covered over hate crime laws so they get lumped in with general LGBT stats. This should change contingent on if the murder in Texas gets successfully prosecuted as a hate crime

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/us-hate-crime-law-tran...

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Some people care because gender identity is eroding sex based protections. I should think women care a lot that men are now allowed in their spaces based on an internal sense of "gender".

I should think women care a lot that men are now allowed in their spaces based on an internal sense of "gender". No. We don't. Transwomen are welcome in our bathrooms, locker rooms, and spas.

Says you.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Can you please provide some data to support this? I am unaware of any crime statistic that has transgender as an attribute. It is very easy to make broad sweeping statements like yours but to be taken seriously the majority of people prefer data to support those accusations.

While demanding data isn't necessarily a bad thing, you can take it overboard. If you state that the world is round, and I demand that you back up your claim with data, am I not being a bit ridiculous?

>While demanding data isn't necessarily a bad thing, you can take it overboard.

You can do what you want, but don't expect people to believe your arguments if you aren't willing to support them. "It's obvious" isn't an argument.

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Unfortunately, many of the people that need convincing with regards to net neutrality and online rights also view her as a traitor with mental problems and thus "normal, patriotic Americans" should not worry about these things, except to prevent "liberals" from creating more "regulations" for companies and putting up barriers to keep our law enforcement from finding the "terrorists'" plans.

This comment is so loaded with strawmen and vitriol I don't think it meets our communities comment guidelines.

Yes, but it's still true, as my own conversations with conservative in-laws shows.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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I think the "having been a whistleblower in the most powerful government on the planet" part of Chelsea's story is considerably more risky than the "is transgendered" part. There aren't many people running around "gunning for" trans people in the same sense that there are people "gunning for" informants. Primarily in the sense that in the latter case they use actual guns.

Trans people are safe in very few places in the world.

No place is safe considering the majority violent cause of death among trans people is suicide.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Some people care because gender identity is eroding sex based protections. I should think women care a lot that men are now allowed in their spaces based on an internal sense of "gender".

I should think women care a lot that men are now allowed in their spaces based on an internal sense of "gender". No. We don't. Transwomen are welcome in our bathrooms, locker rooms, and spas.

Here are a few women who disagree with you: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/5dwaqy/peak...

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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He has since amended his requirements. Listen to his interview here: https://theintercept.com/2017/04/19/intercepted-podcast-juli...

"Amended his requirements" aka "Oh shit, I didn't think you'd actually do it. I was only kidding!"

> "Amended his requirements" aka "Oh shit, I didn't think you'd actually do it. I was only kidding!"

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He was never going to do it in the first place. Do you really think that a president would reverse a pardon if Julian Assange did not stand by his words?

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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> Extremely rare and almost exclusive leftists killing people on the right. Interesting claim. I'm not sure many people on the left killed doctors for performing abortions, for example. That was mostly "pro life" conservatives, from what I recall. Why are we even talking about this? Partisan politics isn't relevant. Chelsea Manning is free. This is cause for celebration.

I am genuinely curious why you think it is cause for celebration that bratty solider who made a massive blind data dump of classified information to sabotage the US military had their punishment drastically reduced.

I'm not interesting in explaining myself to nationalists.

I will, however, say that 7 years of prison can be devastating for anyone but 35 years can totally ruin their life with virtually no chance of recovery. Most people have support systems, but will they still be intact after nearly half the average life span?

Regardless of your opinion of what Manning did, the fact that she is no longer in prison means that at least one more person has a chance at life. Isn't that worth celebrating?

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