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I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by jazoom »

eridius wrote: post #156
jazoom wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the same thing, and nowhere near as helpful. Why would I want to wipe my phone every border cross if I don't have to?

admax88q said they wanted a mode where it wipes your phone. That mode is called "factory reset". If what you want is a mode that wipes your phone only when a CBP agent looks at it, as other people have stated in the comments here, you'd probably be committing some sort of crime (e.g. destruction of evidence or lying to a federal agent). The only truly safe way to cross is to not actually have your data when you cross…

I assume you're thinking about USA, which is a country I have no desire to visit.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by ucaetano »

amadvance wrote: post #158
ucaetano wrote: post #115

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Almost all of those are lies. Lying to a federal agent is a felony.

I really have a dumbphone because the battery lasts more than one week..

So it wouldn't be a problem, but if you carry a dumbphone, hand it over and then they search your luggage and find another phone, you'd be in deep trouble.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by jazoom »

vatotemking wrote: post #157
admax88q wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phone's should have a travel mode, where it backs up all your data to the cloud and wipes the phone clean.

What if the agent forces you to give them the password for "untravel mode", which restores data to your phone from the cloud?

Good point

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by khedoros1 »

vatotemking wrote: post #157
admax88q wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phone's should have a travel mode, where it backs up all your data to the cloud and wipes the phone clean.

What if the agent forces you to give them the password for "untravel mode", which restores data to your phone from the cloud?

What if doing so requires a key stored on a computer at home? Or if the system has a duress password that restores plausible-seeming crap? Or if you did just factory-wipe it with no cloud-based backup? You can keep going back and forth with "what if" scenarios, but I'm not sure what the point would be.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by effingwewt »

How sad that by now it's far easier to simply mail your stuff to yourself, pick it up on arrival to destination, and mail it back to your house before departing. I am beginning to hate my country so bad I can't wait to get out. It feels nothing like the country I grew up in.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by khedoros1 »

jazoom wrote: post #161
eridius wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

admax88q said they wanted a mode where it wipes your phone. That mode is called "factory reset". If what you want is a mode that wipes your phone only when a CBP agent looks at it, as other people have stated in the comments here, you'd probably be committing some sort of crime (e.g. destruction of evidence or lying to a federal agent). The only truly safe way to cross is to not actually have your data when you cross…

I assume you're thinking about USA, which is a country I have no desire to visit.

If you aren't planning on going to the US or to whichever other countries might try something similar, then I suppose it's a moot point for you, and you don't need to worry about your phone at all. But if your home government started treating you unreasonably, you might also be interested in having a discussion about possible reactions to the new policies, right?

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by khedoros1 »

idbehold wrote: post #100
Spooky23 wrote: post #57

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If you are asked to produce the contents of your property and provide access to a subset of that property, that will be interpreted as either hindering official action or lying to a federal agent. Lying to a federal agent is a felony. From the customs agent and legal point of view, there is no distinction between hiding a secret compartment in your luggage and a device.

They asked him to provide the password, they didn't ask him to produce the contents of his property. > They eventually returned and said they’d release him if he told them the password to unlock his phone. How have I hindered official action or lied to a federal agent by providing one of my passwords?

> How have I hindered official action or lied to a federal agent by providing one of my passwords?

The same way that your child disobeyed you when you say "Go to bed", and they lay in yours and tell you "You didn't say which bed".

Clearly, the border agent wasn't asking for the password to your alternate, fake part of the phone, and they aren't likely to be happy if they figure out that you followed your own interpretation of the letter of the order, rather than an interpretation that conforms to the spirit of the order.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by khedoros1 »

idbehold wrote: post #96
mustacheemperor wrote: post #54

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I'm assuming they're referring to the serious felony of lying to border police that you've fully unlocked your phone as requested when in reality you're presenting an artificially limited profile.

I don't know what you mean by "fully unlocked". Is there a legal definition for this? I made available to you more than just the lock screen software of my electronic device by entering a passcode, what more does "fully unlocked" entail (Please cite sources)?

An argument like this is fun on the internet, and it might (eventually) help you out in the courtroom. Let us know how it works out for you if the border guard decides that you're trying to make a fool out of him.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by digler999 »

eridius wrote: post #148
digler999 wrote: post #16

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> "Is this your main phone?" This is my main phone I use when crossing constitution-free zones. > it's a felony to lie to a customs & border patrol officer That makes me livid : "Oh, sorry, the constitutional laws (that apply to us ) don't apply here, see it's not technically the US because reasons." [lies to officer] "FELONY!".

Why does that make you livid? Did you think you don't have to obey any laws simply because you're at a border? I guarantee you it's still a felony to murder someone there, so why would lying to a federal agent be any different?

Because the purpose of law is to protect people. The purpose of murder laws is to protect people from the act of murder. The purpose of constitutional law is to protect people from tyranny.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by [deleted] »

khedoros1 wrote: post #164
vatotemking wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if the agent forces you to give them the password for "untravel mode", which restores data to your phone from the cloud?

What if doing so requires a key stored on a computer at home? Or if the system has a duress password that restores plausible-seeming crap? Or if you did just factory-wipe it with no cloud-based backup? You can keep going back and forth with "what if" scenarios, but I'm not sure what the point would be.

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