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I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by jedberg »

digler999 wrote: post #16
scrumper wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind that it's a felony to lie to a customs & border patrol officer. "Is this your main phone?" How will you answer that?

> "Is this your main phone?" This is my main phone I use when crossing constitution-free zones. > it's a felony to lie to a customs & border patrol officer That makes me livid : "Oh, sorry, the constitutional laws (that apply to us ) don't apply here, see it's not technically the US because reasons." [lies to officer] "FELONY!".

No it's my backup I use when I travel because my main phone is expensive and I don't want to risk breaking it.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by capote »

jedberg wrote: post #45
psybin wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The area you are frog marched into is strictly no devices allowed, if they see you with any electronics in your hand you will be pounced upon. This is very obviously because people try to destroy evidence they have on their devices once they discover they are screwed.

They claim to be device free, but yet everyone has their phones out texting and doing email as they wait in line. I've never seen a border agent even say anything, much less march someone away. As long as you aren't taking pictures of the procedures they don't really care.

Exactly. With and without Global Entry, I've always had my phone in my hand through passport check and customs.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by psybin »

jedberg wrote: post #45
psybin wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The area you are frog marched into is strictly no devices allowed, if they see you with any electronics in your hand you will be pounced upon. This is very obviously because people try to destroy evidence they have on their devices once they discover they are screwed.

They claim to be device free, but yet everyone has their phones out texting and doing email as they wait in line. I've never seen a border agent even say anything, much less march someone away. As long as you aren't taking pictures of the procedures they don't really care.

The waiting line for immigration/customs is not the area I'm talking about, this area is where you go once you fail the initial screening. In some international airports like Sydney you will receive a $300 on the spot fine if you have your phone in your hand, they're serious about it.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by mustacheemperor »

sosborn wrote: post #43
Spooky23 wrote: post #20

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You're implying that people should behave in a manner that is a serious felony in the United States and likely other places.

Honest question: How is that a felony? I have multiple profiles on my home machine. Does that make me a felon?

I'm assuming they're referring to the serious felony of lying to border police that you've fully unlocked your phone as requested when in reality you're presenting an artificially limited profile.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by tqkxzugoaupvwqr »

Spooky23 wrote: post #20
rch wrote: post #11

Phones should load different profiles based on the password provided, with some activity logged across profiles so none of them appear stale.

You're implying that people should behave in a manner that is a serious felony in the United States and likely other places.

What is the felony exactly?

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by canadian_voter »

dsp1234 wrote: post #40
exhilaration wrote: post #17

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Option 1: "No, I left my phone at home." Option 2: If you're at the US border and a US citizen, "Sir, I'm an American citizen and just want want to get home" -- citizens can't be blocked from re-entering at the border.

re: Option 2 Define "blocked". Because Sidd Bikkannavar's recent experience tells a different story[0]. "The document given to Bikkannavar listed a series of consequences for failure to offer information that would allow CBP to copy the contents of the device. “I didn’t really want to explore all those consequences,” he says. “It mentioned detention and seizure.”" [0] - http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/12/14583124/nasa…

Do you think this is the document he was handed?

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/inspection...

A few highlights:

You may be subject to an inspection for a variety of reasons, some of which include: [...] you have been selected for a random search."

You’re receiving this sheet because your electronic device(s) has been detained for further examination, which may include copying.

CBP may retain documents or information relating to immigration, customs, and other enforcement matters only if such retention is consistent with the privacy and data protection standards of the system in which such information is retained. Otherwise, if after reviewing the information, there exists no probable cause to seize it, CBP will not retain any copies.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by Spooky23 »

sosborn wrote: post #43
Spooky23 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're implying that people should behave in a manner that is a serious felony in the United States and likely other places.

Honest question: How is that a felony? I have multiple profiles on my home machine. Does that make me a felon?

If you are asked to produce the contents of your property and provide access to a subset of that property, that will be interpreted as either hindering official action or lying to a federal agent. Lying to a federal agent is a felony.

From the customs agent and legal point of view, there is no distinction between hiding a secret compartment in your luggage and a device.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by linkregister »

psybin wrote: post #6
trome wrote: post #5

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I recommend having a few $5 Androids on ya, they are both fun to play with, handy, and will throw inquisitive 3 letter agencies for a loop.

"Is this the phone you use on a day to day basis"- felony if you lie.

What is the felony charge? I keep seeing the word "felony" bandied about in this thread. I get it, it's a scary, attention-getting word. Is it really a charge with a minimum 1-year sentence?

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by AckSyn »

sosborn wrote: post #43
Spooky23 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're implying that people should behave in a manner that is a serious felony in the United States and likely other places.

Honest question: How is that a felony? I have multiple profiles on my home machine. Does that make me a felon?

The parent poster was talking out their rear. There is no way utilizing such a tool, if it were available, is felonious in nature whatsoever.

Having multiple profiles per device and accessible in this manner would be preferable for a number of reasons. Least of which is not wanting anyone else access to your own sensitive information that they have no business looking at to begin with.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again

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Post by anigbrowl »

bitwize wrote: post #18
trome wrote: post #5

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I recommend having a few $5 Androids on ya, they are both fun to play with, handy, and will throw inquisitive 3 letter agencies for a loop.

Intelligence agencies aren't stupid. Evidence of attempts to thwart or subvert intelligence gathering is itself suspicious. If the feds seize what looks to them like a burner phone, that may be grounds for them to detain you without trial indefinitely; and may itself become a crime.

That's highly unlikely. How are you ever going to prove that the person just doesn't want to lose their main phone or risk having their information stolen by thieves? It's virtually impossible to get a conviction on circumstantial evidence. Now if you already have a reputation as a suspicious character in your own right, then being found with a burner phone might exacerbate that, but your argument basically depends on the judicial system as we know it ceasing to exist.
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