Fun fact - the "border zone" in which your 4th amendment rights are suspended and you are subject to search, is 100 miles wide and overlaps where the majority of Americans live and work https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone
I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again
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#82Fun fact - the "border zone" in which your 4th amendment rights are suspended and you are subject to search, is 100 miles wide and overlaps where the majority of Americans live and work https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone
The entirety of Lake Michigan is within the borders of the US, so while this entire "100-mile border zone" business is bizarre enough as it is, it's truly disingenuous to include the lower Lake Michigan coastline. It makes me wonder if this is an interpretational liberty taken solely by the ACLU, or if the government's demonstrated behavior truly justifies what is shown on the map.
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#83They can detain me indefinitely if they want, I will never give my pin to border security. I'm not going to bend to this bullshit by not carrying a phone.
I suspect your tune may change when you find yourself in indefinite detention, have missed your connecting flight, and your family/friend/spouse/boss has called said phone and been told by CBP that you're refusing to comply with an investigation.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also, carry multiple phones of the same model. I've been throwing my main phone anywhere besides in plain view and carrying a couple $5 Androids in my pockets instead when going thru TSA, better they try to search one of them than my main phone buried in my bag next to 2 others that look just like it.
"Please hand over your personal phone, not any replacements you carry as decoys"
EDIT:
"I bring dumbphones when traveling because battery lasts two weeks, unlike iPhone"
"I heard that there are lot of thieves in the country I visited, so I was afraid to bring my real phone"
"I heard that airport X-ray machine can brick iPhone"
"I really like cheap, Chinese phones, they are so cute"
"iPhones are for hipsters, I prefer cheap, practical devices"
possibilities for excuse are endless. And, as the old rule goes, the stupider the excuse the better - if you can convince CBP agents that you are harmless idiot you win.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also, carry multiple phones of the same model. I've been throwing my main phone anywhere besides in plain view and carrying a couple $5 Androids in my pockets instead when going thru TSA, better they try to search one of them than my main phone buried in my bag next to 2 others that look just like it.
Keep in mind that it's a felony to lie to a customs & border patrol officer. "Is this your main phone?" How will you answer that?
Remember they're not just dumping the contents for analysis, but also installing a rootkit, assuming the phone isn't already rooted, so once it leaves your presence or they plug anything into it, its no longer a trustworthy device.
Something I don't understand is the postal system is essentially wide open for transportation of drugs and stuff as per numerous dark web stories, so simply putting the phone in a box and mailing it would seem to reduce the chance of anyone in the .gov accessing it down to roughly 0% odds.
I'm convinced most of these stories are submarine marketing by big internet companies that have a wide open door to the NSA as most of the discussion revolves around the government not accessing your "private" Facebook activities where no such situation could possibly exist, so there's no point in not unlocking the phone. Ignore the man behind the curtain providing the NSA root privs on the server, the problem is individual officers gaining access to your CRUD app end user device LOL.
Given that the government already has all the data, the real battle is you are trying to appear to be an individual in their database and they'd like to know exactly who, which makes it about as nefarious as asking for your passport, and they know and understand that, so they freak if you won't give them access. As an analogy they know they have all the data on your drivers license and if you refuse to show them your drivers license that will make them extremely interested in why not, you claim you're j random hacker and you claim thats j random hackers drivers license and we have all the license data for j random hacker now why won't you show it, perhaps you have a fake ID for j random hacker or you're someone else trying to set up j random hacker or ...
Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again
#86Phones should load different profiles based on the password provided, with some activity logged across profiles so none of them appear stale.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
At least on an iPhone, erased is erased. On android some versions use full disk encryption but many do not, it's a guess.
It's not a "guess". The last Android release that lacked support for block-device-level encryption was KitKat, which shipped in 2013. Any device being advertised with the "Android" trademark (to be fair: AOSP-based clone OSes like Amazon's have been slower to evolve) over the last two years has that support. Please don't hijack an important security discussion to engage in meaningless platform flamage. Users with And…
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#88It would be nice if there were a feature built in to phones to facilitate this. Like, on the lock screen, an emergency wipe button that runs a procedure you specify (log you out of everything, obfuscate which services you subscribe to, etc) and this way as you're going through customs, you can gauge your risk and at any point you feel uncomfortable, you discreetly click your button before smoothly handing over your p…
This suggestion comes up in every single thread . Consider that when such an obvious gambit seems to exist you're almost certainly not the first person to have come up with it, and there's a reason it hasn't already taken off.
Care to share the reason it hasn't taken off? Or are you here just to call me out?
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
At least on an iPhone, erased is erased. On android some versions use full disk encryption but many do not, it's a guess.
It's not a "guess". The last Android release that lacked support for block-device-level encryption was KitKat, which shipped in 2013. Any device being advertised with the "Android" trademark (to be fair: AOSP-based clone OSes like Amazon's have been slower to evolve) over the last two years has that support. Please don't hijack an important security discussion to engage in meaningless platform flamage. Users with And…