I had same strange situation a week ago when passing Ukraine border. Whats purpose of this?
I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again
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Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Option 1: "No, I left my phone at home." Option 2: If you're at the US border and a US citizen, "Sir, I'm an American citizen and just want want to get home" -- citizens can't be blocked from re-entering at the border.
Option 1, why did you bring decoys? You should probably sit here in this cell for a bit while we work out what the fuck you're doing. Option 2, they can't stop you from entering but they can make you enter directly into a jail cell, or generally make your life miserable. See the owner of cock.li, who had all of his electronics seized twice.
OK, what's your point? Your responses are all pretty defeatist, and definitely speculative.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Is this the phone you use on a day to day basis"- felony if you lie.
What is the felony charge? I keep seeing the word "felony" bandied about in this thread. I get it, it's a scary, attention-getting word. Is it really a charge with a minimum 1-year sentence?
It is a felony to lie to a federal agent.
Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again
#74Phones should load different profiles based on the password provided, with some activity logged across profiles so none of them appear stale.
You're implying that people should behave in a manner that is a serious felony in the United States and likely other places.
What is the maximum extent to which we can defend users of our software?
Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Option 1: "No, I left my phone at home." Option 2: If you're at the US border and a US citizen, "Sir, I'm an American citizen and just want want to get home" -- citizens can't be blocked from re-entering at the border.
Citizens may, indeed, not be barred from re-entering, but there's absolutely nothing, anywhere that says we can't be made to wait unconscionably long before entry, or that we can be allowed to re-enter without our devices.
That constitutes de facto detention and yes, there's absolutely something that governs it.
Unfortunately ICE/CBP has policies [1] in place to require the phone's password that they believe are legitimate per 8 USC § 1357(a) (3). It's likely that only a court ruling weighing the policy regarding this statute against the bill of rights would make them change.
[1] https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/ice_border_search_electr...
Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again
#76> Since most of our private data is stored in the cloud — and not on individual devices — you could also reset your phone to its factory settings [...] Then if you’re asked to hand it over, there won’t be any personal data on your phone This makes me wonder: is it true? Is the data truly unrecoverable if you factory-reset your phone? I doubt so. But maybe there's some special tool to truly wipe a device (say like the…
At least on an iPhone, erased is erased. On android some versions use full disk encryption but many do not, it's a guess.
It's not a "guess". The last Android release that lacked support for block-device-level encryption was KitKat, which shipped in 2013. Any device being advertised with the "Android" trademark (to be fair: AOSP-based clone OSes like Amazon's have been slower to evolve) over the last two years has that support.
Please don't hijack an important security discussion to engage in meaningless platform flamage. Users with Android phones have this available and they should enable it, not be told that they need to "guess".
Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again
#77My current plan is to wipe my phone before travel and restore it on destination. Nothing to unlock because there's no phone there. Forcing you to restore your entire account is a whole 'nother level beyond simple forcing you to unlock your phone.
How do you do that with an Android phone? With iOS this seems pretty easy
Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again
#78They may choose to detain you anyway, and force you to give them passwords to various accounts manually. But there’s no easy way for them to know which services you use and which services you don’t use, or whether you have multiple accounts. This would seem to imply lying, or at least deceiving, a federal agent. IANAL, but https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_false_statements
Well ... two can play that game
"any matter within the jurisdiction" of the federal government of the United States and since you are not in that jurisdiction this does not seem to appply :)
Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again
#79I wish Apple would have a duress password that when entered would wipe the phone.
Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again
#80I'm interested to see how Apple will react to this, given their history with the FBI. Right now, you can connect your iPhone to a computer and get all the information off it - doesn't matter if you are iTunes or Cellebrite. It'd be good to have a permanent way to disable this ability in the future, so that your phone data cannot be siphoned out, even if you provide the PIN. Of course, that's not the only way for data…
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