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How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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Social isolation is a huge problem. There's stigma around declaring it. I'm doing my part to address this problem right now: Any HN'ers in downtown Vancouver reading this post, let's grab coffee near Robson Square. My email is in my profile and synced to my phone so I will reply promptly. I've been just reading principles.com (from the other HN thread) and inspired to take action.

To some extent, Meetups help. It's not just an opportunity to hear about the latest in a filed that you have an interest in, but also an avenue to meet-and-greet.

I always found Meetups impersonal and difficult to socialize in large crowds due to my debilating social anxiety.

Btw, nobody showed up yesterday but I haven't given up. I'm here from 9am ~ 5pm near Robson Square. Coffee (or tea) is on me.

If you are not in Vancouver then shoot me an email, you can talk about anything.

Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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Terrible. I wish I could be governor or something and make sure that we stop this. It makes me sad. How would you stop this as governor? I have a feeling your solution would be far worse than the problem you're trying to solve.

I would build mixed-use development neighborhoods, and create spaces where people would be able to meet together for events, etc. I'd move highways that go straight through the downtown area and reroute them around the city. I'd make cities more walk/bike/subway/bus - able and work on smart regulation that would allow for mixed-use development so people could work-live-play in different areas. I'd also fix the school…

A lot of that funding comes from the federal government. Basically anything involving roads has to come from Washington because roads are so damn expensive to build and maintain.

You'd probably have better luck as a senator.

Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

#193
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I must be going to the wrong bars. Everyone I go regularly has people minding their own business.

Where do you live? In NYC I feel much more welcome talking to strangers in bars than I do in London.

Philadelphia

Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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Haha this is so funny as I found myself singing "happy happy joy joy" earlier today.

Now I have the Dog Pound Hop (the intro song) stuck in my head. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVRJ8TiicM4 Love that rockabilly beat. Can't be sad when listening to that.

For music along similar lines, check out Wes Montgomery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU3OwXyL5R8

Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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I think it's valuable to think about this problem from an evolutionary perspective. Almost every problem we have can be viewed this way. We should be asking ourselves how we were living 100,000 years ago. This is what our bodies and our brains are expecting. The whole concept of the nuclear family and a house and a fence is a completely foreign concept to our bodies because we haven't been doing it for very many gene…

If that's the way we "should" be living, why then as a society did we mostly chose to live separately in family units? It must have a survival advantage or we would have stopped doing it.

>It must have a survival advantage or we would have stopped doing it.

LOL yea because we have totally stopped polluting the earth or filling our food with sugar. Give me a break, this is pop evopsych at its worst

Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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From my perspective, I think most people want to be socially isolated, or at the very least, never change their social bubble. After completing school, I didn't want to be lonely when living in the working world. So I bought a few books on socializing, picked up swing dance, went to meetups, took adult education classes and volunteered in the US election. After 16 months of continuous practice, I have made 0 friends.…

Just like anything else, people want social interactions that are stimulating and rewarding. Being around other people for the sake of being around other warm bodies is typically not very interesting for most people. Who has no shortage of friends? People with obvious value propositions. Rich or influential people. Well connected people. Good looking people. People who already have a lot of friends. It's strange to t…

I find that simply making people feel comfortable being themselves around you is the easiest way to make friends.

I am not attractive, influential, connected or rich, but I also don't expect anything from people... as in I'm not trying to gain anything from them, not that that I have low expectations of people.

I find that people appreciate social interactions where they feel comfortable being themselves and don't feel like they have to be on guard or put on a mask lest they find themselves in some kind of obligation or awkward situation.

Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

#197
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Just like anything else, people want social interactions that are stimulating and rewarding. Being around other people for the sake of being around other warm bodies is typically not very interesting for most people. Who has no shortage of friends? People with obvious value propositions. Rich or influential people. Well connected people. Good looking people. People who already have a lot of friends. It's strange to t…

I find that simply making people feel comfortable being themselves around you is the easiest way to make friends. I am not attractive, influential, connected or rich, but I also don't expect anything from people... as in I'm not trying to gain anything from them, not that that I have low expectations of people. I find that people appreciate social interactions where they feel comfortable being themselves and don't fe…

> find that people appreciate social interactions where they feel comfortable

How is that done?

Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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Great comment. Solitude and loneliness are different things. The former can build you up, the latter tear you asunder. An article from the New Yorker that was posted here a few months captured the sentiment:

> Now and then, especially at night, solitude loses its soft power and loneliness takes over. I am grateful when solitude returns.

I'm currently three months into a stretch of solitude as I focus fully on building an online business. While not prone to loneliness, there are films I won't watch and songs I refuse to play because they remind me too much of friends and loved ones.

Which is to say, loneliness is like a lever that you have at least some control over. But it still stabs at you unexpectedly sometimes.

Although perhaps saudade is the better term for this feeling. And I'm not too sure if it's an entirely undesirable emotion.

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/double-solitud...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudade

Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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This is an extremely poor argument. Try starting a conversation on a Manhattan subway. The lack of boxes between you and your fellow commuters does not make it remotely acceptable to interact with them, nor should it. It is much harder to meet friends who are separated by 5 miles of bus ride than 5 miles of freeway. It is much harder to actually hear each other at a crowded bar than someone's home, but only the very…

Many people who live in small apartments can and do host social gatherings. In my experience, how frequently someone hosts gatherings has more to do with their personality than the size of their living space.

I've hosted plenty of social gatherings in my shit apartment in Provo. it doesn't have to be fancy to be fun.

Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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Can confirm, I've been to many social gatherings hosted in Manhattan studios.

Having your own studio in Manhattan puts you so far into stratospheric income (or a family heirloom rent controlled lease) that we may as well be talking about the problems of private jet owners. I'm talking about the kind of people who have to choose between part of a shared apartment in a conveniently transit-connected part of SF/Manhattan, or their own studio/1-bedroom somewhere with low density and poor transit.…

Owning maybe, but you can totally rent a studio in Manhattan on a software engineer's salary. [0]http://streeteasy.com/for-rent/manhattan/price:-2500%7Cbeds%...
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