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9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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I've met a lot of people who "couldn't" find a job. What they usually mean is "they can't find a job in the area they want, in the industry they want, doing the kind of work they want, at the salary they want, working for someone else." This is a highly overconstrained search. If / when people loosen one or more of these constraints, they're opportunities open right up. Like everyone, I prefer to get exactly what I w…

I remember talking to the father of a girlfriend's roommate at the time. He used to be an executive at an engineering company in Chicago, but he didn't survive the 5th round of layoffs. When I met him, he was working at a hardware store around the corner from his house. He was unhappy with ending up doing a cashier's job when he spent his whole life working towards what he did previously. He never once said he was un…

It is easy to advise from the sidelines but I too think the author should be looking outside the comfort zone. He should broaden his skillset while looking to sharpen those skills that are in demand.

Also I would look into some hobbies that could potentially bring in money(twitter analyst?)

If he was doing some sort of software support for obsolete programs there is a dwindling demand for such skills in US. (ahem outs...)

On the other hand being underemployed in the wrong kind of job that saps all the energy could actually be counterproductive in the longer term.

According to the article the author is applying to jobs, getting a mininum wage job would not really change that nor drastically improve family finances in SV.

Disclaimer: I speak as someone who earns roughly the US minimum wage at my official job.

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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> Every day involves endlessly scrolling through a list of jobs on Indeed.com and applying here and there with full knowledge that 99 percent of the time, I’ll never hear back. That means he is literally wasting time, which he could use in other, more productive ways. Sorry, but if I would be 99 percent sure that something I do will bring me 0 benefits, I would stop and do something else. If you don't have money to r…

> That means he is literally wasting time, which he could use in other, more productive ways. It's easy to judge someone from a distance.

He says exactly how this sounds. Seems this guy is not doing everything in his power to change his situation and he never really took step back and re-thinked his strategy.

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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This. I'd feed puppies into a wood chipper with a smile on my face if the pay was good enough.

I'd rather die from starvation than doing that. What's next on your job bucket list: operating the gas chambers in Auschwitz? If only it would pay a little bit better?

> I'd rather die from starvation than doing that.

Are you a vegetarian? Then doubtful. If you've ever had a factory egg before, they shove the male chicks into a woodchipper.

> operating the gas chambers in Auschwitz?

And we're at Nazi already!

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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There is nothing embarrassing about manual work. When I was 17, at one point, I sold toilet paper, on the street, in a third world country, to get some cash for my PC. Various jobs netted me half the cash for my PC over 6 months. My parents could scrape for the rest. 486dx-120mhz. Right now I'm in a comfortable seniority, renting a townhouse ( Toronto is too expensive to buy) and having a family. The c++ projects kee…

You had Patents at 17?! Kudos! ;) My parents taught me the same way. I have worked many manual labor jobs, and I wouldn't blink an eye to go back if I had to. I wouldn't enjoy it but I have a family to support and I do what I must

Parents, sorry, edited it.

Family does changed the outlook quite a bit though for some of the people I know.

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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I've met a lot of people who "couldn't" find a job. What they usually mean is "they can't find a job in the area they want, in the industry they want, doing the kind of work they want, at the salary they want, working for someone else." This is a highly overconstrained search. If / when people loosen one or more of these constraints, they're opportunities open right up. Like everyone, I prefer to get exactly what I w…

I've met a lot of managers who "couldn't" find anyone to hire. What they usually mean is "they can't find an employee in the location they want, with the credentials they want, with the skills they want, at the salary they want, who's been trained by someone else." This is a highly overconstrained search. If/when employers loosen one or more of these constraints, candidates show right up. Like everyone, I prefer to g…

Nice! Good counterpoints! I also noted that your screen name is "cijt" is the reverse of the parent "tjic", nicely done!

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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yeah my dad made me learn all that shit at my uncles old house. was worth it, if you have kids and are reading this right now, teach them to fix stuff, its a gift that keeps on giving.

Agreed 100%. Growing up we didn't have money to hire people to do this stuff for us. I learned how to paint, how to hang drywall, how to do basic plumbing, how to lay flooring (tile, carpet, and wood), and odd jobs like replacing crown molding. I'd add basic mechanics to this list -- things like changing my own oil and replacing my own battery have saved me a TON of money and there's a satisfaction that comes from be…

I grew up in a similar situation and thus gained the same sort of skills. However the area I grew up in is pretty depressed (Cumberland, MD for thoses who care https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-14/in-trump-...). What I'm seeing is that now we are at a point where so many people do things themselves that the service industry is also struggling. Contractors are no longer doing good business in the area as there has been a race to the bottom. If people don't fix it themselves most turn to a low cost do-it-all 'handy man'. Because everyone is trying to save a buck money doesn't really move around much and we're in a downward spiral.

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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I've met a lot of people who "couldn't" find a job. What they usually mean is "they can't find a job in the area they want, in the industry they want, doing the kind of work they want, at the salary they want, working for someone else." This is a highly overconstrained search. If / when people loosen one or more of these constraints, they're opportunities open right up. Like everyone, I prefer to get exactly what I w…

I've met a lot of managers who "couldn't" find anyone to hire. What they usually mean is "they can't find an employee in the location they want, with the credentials they want, with the skills they want, at the salary they want, who's been trained by someone else." This is a highly overconstrained search. If/when employers loosen one or more of these constraints, candidates show right up. Like everyone, I prefer to g…

I have also seen HR departments so slow, hiring procedures so onerous, that it is obvious the company doesnt want to actually hire anyone. "Jobs" sit unfilled for months/years until someone wonders why the position was ever created.

I'm an attorney specializing in compliance and privacy, so most all of my work is 'consulting'. But I run into companies every day who enjoy being constantly understaffed. It's the fashion in IT atm. A company without dozens of open positions isnt considered 'lean' and so they keep many open just so they can say they are there. (Some hr depts probably also think open positions are a headge against downsizing. They arent.)

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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This guy seems to fall into that category: "There have been times where I’ve wondered if I should just get a temporary service or manual labor job...I would be too humiliated... It would be exceptionally difficult to work eight hours a day hoping with all my might that a neighbor or friend wouldn’t swing by to see me working the cash register or pumping gas." This is a definitive example of the prideful worker effect…

That being said, the prideful worker effect is very real though. I remember when my mom told me how her nightshifts in the sausage factory as a student made her more humble - and I thought "what a waste - I'm going to step in high and then get really rich so I don't have to do this!". Six years and three failed university degrees later, I started in night shifts myself in customer support because I had no other optio…

> I remember when my mom told me how her nightshifts in the sausage factory as a student made her more humble

I was lucky to avoid having to work in the service industry - aside from occasionally having to work the floor at a retailer when we finished unloading/loading a truck early - but my wife worked as a server for a good long while, and we both agree that we will absolutely encourage our children to work jobs like those - aside from earning money, it teaches empathy and how to deal with difficult situations.

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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I've met a lot of people who "couldn't" find a job. What they usually mean is "they can't find a job in the area they want, in the industry they want, doing the kind of work they want, at the salary they want, working for someone else." This is a highly overconstrained search. If / when people loosen one or more of these constraints, they're opportunities open right up. Like everyone, I prefer to get exactly what I w…

I just met a retired plumber when he charged us $500 to clear roots out of our main line. He said he had to shut down his business - couldn't find anyone willing to learn the trade. He said no one wants to get their hands dirty anymore. He said it's a shame, they could basically charge as much as they like - write their own tickets.

Our obstetrician said something very similar - he only does obstetrics, and says that it's a very unpopular field to get into.

Probably for very similar reasons.

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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The silver lining as I read this is how this guy even with all the trouble has remained married provided for his children all while living in one of the most expensive areas in the world.

And with offical unemployment at 4.5% as some else has mentioned jobs may not exist for these guys given the current economic structure. The demand is not there. Hopefully, no matter how imperfect, a large infrastructure investment happens and stimulates demand for prime age male workers.

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