Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective

Post by smsowmya » Sat, Dec 17, 2016, 2:15 PM UTC

Helmet wrote: post #152

smsowmya wrote: post #56

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And that's what makes victims think 100 times before making a formal allegation .. and why most don't report it.

Yes, but consider the opposite scenario, where the onus is placed on the accused. Virtually every situation would be a nightmare to deal with; careers would be ruined on false allegations, and eventually accusers would lose credibility. I understand where you are coming from, and I do empathize with your situation and believe that Apple should have done more, but I'm firmly in the camp that the onus of proof should b…

Post by smsowmya » Sat, Dec 17, 2016, 2:25 PM UTC

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Having been through an eerily similar episode as what you describe (but then as an LGBT employee) I did have an almost perfect paper trail but it still didn't help. It takes an absolutely insane amount of energy to fight a huge company like this and even if you do everything right the chances are pretty good they'll wear you out first. Best of luck with your recovery! It's been a really tough few years for me and I c…

Thanks for sharing the book. I am an employee of another big tech company currently going through similar process of HR not being very helpful despite raising grievance for last two months. The book is on point. With children and family, the fight is not worth the stress and permanent health impact.

Post by smsowmya » Sat, Dec 17, 2016, 2:32 PM UTC

digler999 wrote: post #533

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> What he did was not the point. But the way you talk about him totally is. You shouldn't defend people who give you undeserved favors at the cost of others, if this is what he did. And you absolutely shouldn't be surprised by the consequences, if you do. Your coworkers may have felt equally threatened by this supervisor as you did by them. Associating yourself with people like him will do you no good. > I feel like…

> Associating yourself with people like him will do you no good. that's called "blaming the victim". how do you not "associate" yourself with your own supervisor ??

Post by smsowmya » Sat, Dec 17, 2016, 2:39 PM UTC

digler999 wrote: post #534

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>Think about the effects of your words That's fair enough. For what it's worth, I do have sympathy, and I do believe that some people treated her in a sexist manner.

I dont think you read her blog post. she wasn't just treated in a sexist manner. That sparked the issue, which turned into alleged bullying an harassment by most of her team. You dont have to be a woman to understand how badly that would suck.

Post by smsowmya » Sat, Dec 17, 2016, 3:38 PM UTC

evmar wrote: post #231

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These things happen at most companies .. people get jealous and have different ways of dealing with it .. it's up to management to handle it well, but since no one talks about it, there is no management for it ..

Are you the author of the article? I'd like to apologize on the behalf of ... pretty much everyone, really, for all the stupid comments here that are focused on doubting your story. It sounds like an awful experience and I imagine all these people missing the point are compounding it. In my experience in the tech industry, these sorts of victim-blaming people are very vocal but also are a minority, and I am embarrass…