Wouldn't Apple's hiring policy likely mean that she was given the job on the basis of her race and gender? They have to be doing that in order to achieve the diversity numbers they're so happy to publish each year.
Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective
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Re: Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective
#42Preamble: I'm not questioning or talking against the article at all, just making some notes. The problem seems to be real all around the world, which is yet another indicator that most societies are not ready for global market. The only thing I miss from the article: did she try to talk to her harassers directly before going to a manager? Maybe I misread something but it seems like this did not happen, yet this shoul…
What you're saying may feel and sound rational. But it is victim blaming.
No, it's not.
I was asking questions and stating a few thing I made as mistakes - HR as someone to turn to -.
Re: Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective
#43Preamble: I'm not questioning or talking against the article at all, just making some notes. The problem seems to be real all around the world, which is yet another indicator that most societies are not ready for global market. The only thing I miss from the article: did she try to talk to her harassers directly before going to a manager? Maybe I misread something but it seems like this did not happen, yet this shoul…
There are no labor unions any more; those are the ones that would actually care about your wellbeing.
Actually labor unions tend to protect people accused of sexual harassment.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/nyregion/found-to-have-mis...
In fact they seem to be legally obligated to advocate for all union members, which would include the people doing harassing.
Re: Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective
#44Preamble: I'm not questioning or talking against the article at all, just making some notes. The problem seems to be real all around the world, which is yet another indicator that most societies are not ready for global market. The only thing I miss from the article: did she try to talk to her harassers directly before going to a manager? Maybe I misread something but it seems like this did not happen, yet this shoul…
I'm astonished this is as high as it is.
> did she try to talk to her harassers directly before going to a manager?
There are a huge number of reasons why you should not be expected to do this. The harasser can be in a position of authority, for example. Even separately to that (and i understand this is a reducio argument, but..) would you ask an abuse victim to speak to their abuser? No, they go straight to the police.
> HR is not your friend; it's one of the stakeholders' defense lines.
This is a problem that needs fixing, rather than a status quo that needs defending.
> When you have weeks, months, in some cases, I think it is all right to expect decisions from anyone.
I report an assault. Do I suggest to the police how they should investigate and prosecute this assault? No. The victim reports the behaviour, but other parties should determine how to investigate and proceed with that report.
> This is embarrassing - but there are people out there who lie. Especially these days, with the problems of fake news, it's easy to get suspicious.
Sometimes, yes, people do lie, but each complaint of any nature should be treated confidentially so reports of abuses like this can be made without fear of repercussion.
In the (very unlikely) event of the victim being untruthful, the matter should be dropped, not blow back on the reporter -- or nobody will report real problems for fear of being unfairly punished themselves.
> s/women/people
This didn't need to be said. The author is talking about her experiences of harassment as a woman in technology. Yes, there are other problems that also need solving. This isn't the hill on which to make this point.
Re: Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective
#45Preamble: I'm not questioning or talking against the article at all, just making some notes. The problem seems to be real all around the world, which is yet another indicator that most societies are not ready for global market. The only thing I miss from the article: did she try to talk to her harassers directly before going to a manager? Maybe I misread something but it seems like this did not happen, yet this shoul…
> The only thing I miss from the article: did she try to talk to her harassers directly before going to a manager? Maybe I misread something but it seems like this did not happen, yet this should always be the first step. I understand where you're coming from. But... there should be no need for one adult to educate another that bad behavior is unacceptable. Hi! I know you enjoy punching me from behind when I'm doing…
Isn't a logical extension of having a company be responsible to shareholders, that it shall optimize for no lawsuits, as they're very pricy and damage the brand more than a blog post?
Re: Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective
#46Preamble: I'm not questioning or talking against the article at all, just making some notes. The problem seems to be real all around the world, which is yet another indicator that most societies are not ready for global market. The only thing I miss from the article: did she try to talk to her harassers directly before going to a manager? Maybe I misread something but it seems like this did not happen, yet this shoul…
And the thing about questioning, I understand innocent until proven guilty, but putting the onus of everything on the victim is pretty unfair ..
No, actually, it's not. You're accusing someone of something very serious that puts their livelihood at stake. You need to have proof in that situation. It's a very intense and emotional experience, but that doesn't mean everyone needs to automatically assume the alleged victim is being honest.
Re: Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective
#47Is not this the default situation white straight male faces?
For example I was accused of somehow being responsible for slavery, LGBT discrimination, anti-immigrant policies etc.. That was just a few days after I moved to US, I had zero influence on those things and I was immigrant myself.
And my coworkers made racist jokes about Russia.
Re: Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective
#48Where's the proof? More fake news stories, good job.
Is this sarcasm? Most of what she is talking about seems to be in person comments that she couldn't really record but anyway she is just talking about her experience and what she thinks could be done to improve the industry so I'm not sure proof on the specifics that happened to her are necessary
Sarcasm? I wish.
It's the sad truth. This is exactly the kind of story I expect on Medium, that's their clickbait, their MO to drive the traffic up. That's all you need to know about it.
It's so predictable, I don't know if it's more funny or more sad, actually.
And yes, I totally believe every single word of that story. Now that is sarcasm.
Look at the choice of words. It's all there, all the buzzwords, all the expected jargon, signalling virtue and belonging to the tribe.
People still don't realize this? Really?
Re: Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective
#49Preamble: I'm not questioning or talking against the article at all, just making some notes. The problem seems to be real all around the world, which is yet another indicator that most societies are not ready for global market. The only thing I miss from the article: did she try to talk to her harassers directly before going to a manager? Maybe I misread something but it seems like this did not happen, yet this shoul…
What you're saying may feel and sound rational. But it is victim blaming.
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Re: Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective
#50The "No Meaningful Process" is shocking in a company of Apples size - in the UK they would get the book thrown at them at a tribunal for that. Sounds like Her boss and Hr failed I wonder if things Like brexit and Trump have made closet racists fell they can be more open
"Sounds like Her boss and Hr failed I wonder if things Like brexit and Trump have made closet racists fell they can be more open"
Yeah I'm sure they felled that way here.