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Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective

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I approached my management when the situation escalated, who directed me to HR. Instead of helping me, HR embarked on a defensive and confrontational script.

For better or worse, HR is there to protect the company, not the employee. This is why many times they report in through legal. It's not fair, but it's the way companies work.

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Hello! Guy here. One, those terms are not interchangeable. Words have meanings. Two, people will refer to themselves or people in their in-group by names that people in the outgroup should not call them. E.g., my friend runs a get-together called "nerd beers". I don't mind, because he is a fellow lover of technology. Other people do not get to call me a nerd. Many groups have similar patterns, including black and gay…

When people call females girls they are not infantalising them. Nor do people use this word in this manner. If you have a problem with the word girl in reference to a young woman then your quarrel is with the dictionary.

> When people call females girls they are not infantalising them.

Yes, they often are. And this is often the way it is received, regardless of intent.

edit: And, for the record, "females" is also a favorite objectifying shibboleth in certain circles. (Not accusing you, necessarily.) Just use "women".

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I read the entire article and this is my take: this writer worked with an extreme bulley. The bulley was a ringleader. And potentially psycho. This isn't about sexism, racism, etc. This is about a ringleader selecting a victim to prey upon for the sole purpose of causing pain.

I didn't even work with him directly - he was just there and decided to pick on me, yes. And yes, that was the gist of the experience.

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Unionization is not banned in any state. Your link does not agree with your dishonest comment. Right to work laws simply prohibit collusion between unions and employers to prevent non-union workers from working. They are no different than other worker protection laws, e.g. the laws prohibiting Apple and Microsoft from forming an anti-poaching agreement.

Well, effective unions–those capable of overcoming the free rider problem–are banned, then. It's like banning all sports equipment but saying Baseball isn't banned, in that you can still get together and say you're playing baseball and go through some of the motions, kind-of, and perhaps even play some cup-ball and call it baseball.

You mean those where people are forced to join the union whether they want to or not? Because those are very much a thing. Try becoming a public school teacher or police officer without joining a union.

Re: Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective

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Not the op, but female as well. Guy is a general term most times, but I've known a few women that get offended by it because they aren't male. Dude is also used for both, but a lot of folks don't want to use that in the office. Alternatively, just use person and be safe.

"Folks"?

That's one I often use. It's truly gender-neutral. "Alright folks, let's get this meeting started." vs "Alright guys, let's get this meeting started."

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My brother, as a manager of a big team in Belgium, had once to face a complain to the HR about he harassing a secretary. The reaction of the company was immediate, and in my opinion the right one. They contracted a specialize company to investigate, collect the facts and present their conclusions. The conclusions would be sent at the same time to the alleged victim, the HR and the manager. In this case the conclusion…

The idea that a contractor is going to be unbiased when they're getting paid by the corporation is sort of absurd. They know where their bread is buttered, and it's not from employees filing complaints.

Re: Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective

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Unionization is not banned in any state. Your link does not agree with your dishonest comment. Right to work laws simply prohibit collusion between unions and employers to prevent non-union workers from working. They are no different than other worker protection laws, e.g. the laws prohibiting Apple and Microsoft from forming an anti-poaching agreement.

Except that this law makes the union pointless. Laws like that are a prime reason unions are dying. Why pay union dues when you get all the benefits for free? Oh sure, the union shrivels and dies and the benefits leave with it, but fuck it you saved $25 off a few paychecks.

Yes because why would we want someone to be able to choose whether or not they want to give part of their paycheck to a third party?

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The reason why our society has such a poor understanding of mental health is because we demand a "real travesty" as a cause of mental illness. Unless there is one, the default assumption is that people are making it up. This is a dangerous belief that harms people.

I think what scoreponok is trying to say is at the end of the day, it's just a job. There is a lot of suffering and trauma in the world. Even though I don't want to try and quantify either of those for different events, there's probably a difference between say being affected by a natural disaster and issues at work. After all, work != life. Note that this obviously don't mean the issue is to be trivialised. After al…

Issues at work can become serious. Even before there was attention on sexism/racism related issues, burnout was a well recognized mental illness.

And the thing with stress is that it doesn't need to build up overnight. Even a constant low level source of stress can build up to something big over time. Since we spend a major portion of our waking lives at work, it shouldn't be surprising that our jobs can cause mental illnesses.

Also before we can say "it's just a job", are we in a position to remove the necessity of jobs? So that we don't have to worry what will happen if we don't have a source of income or if we don't a career?

Re: Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective

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I approached my management when the situation escalated, who directed me to HR. Instead of helping me, HR embarked on a defensive and confrontational script. For better or worse, HR is there to protect the company, not the employee. This is why many times they report in through legal. It's not fair, but it's the way companies work.

Why isn't it fair? Can you imagine an HR department that advocated for an individual employee if their needs directly contradicted the needs of the larger organization?
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