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Where Even Nightmares Are Classified: Psychiatric Care at Guantánamo

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Re: Where Even Nightmares Are Classified: Psychiatric Care at Guantánamo

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The staff and all involved are traitors to the human race. I hope they're charged as war criminals some day.

They get promoted. Potential new CIA director: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rt.com/document/5826a952c46...

Who would I trust more than RT to tell me about American politics?

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#62

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We can only hope that he'll be impeached for his raping/sexual assaulting.

For a lewd discussion? Show me proof of rape.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/woman-says-she-was...

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Trump has said that "torture works" , and "I like waterboarding a lot" , and that he would "bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding" . When asked about former CIA Director Michael Hayden’s recent comments that the military could defy unlawful orders to torture or kill civilians, Trump said, "They won’t refuse. They’re not going to refuse, believe me." Thanks 50% of American voters. You're helping to make…

That's what Obama gets for not closing Guantanamo Bay after 2 terms, 8 years+ since the promise. Different political brandings during the elections for the peons, same neocons behind the curtains doing Just Neocon Thangs. What would Hillary do, "we stayed, we tortured, they died"? While Soros brightest younguns riot for transgender bathrooms when not on campus indulging in Play-Doh and therapy dogs..

Try being transgender and denied access to bathrooms and you might find the issue slightly more pressing than it sounds. Separate but equal doesn't work for racial minorities, why should students accept it with other minorities?

Anyway, Congress in a bipartisan effort made it illegal to transfer prisoners into the US from Gitmo. Can't pin Gitmo entirely on Obama.

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I get the vague impression that there was some sort of unspoken deal not to prosecute the people who ordered torture and the people who followed those unlawful orders for the sake of reconciliation between sides of culture wars. How could we have prosecuted the torturers but not the people giving the orders? Or, how could we prosecute the former vice president, but not the former commander in chief? Even though we ar…

Unspoken deal? Obama literally said we "should look forward not backwards" to Bush's crimes as soon as he got elected. And now Trump may hire some of the same worst of the worst people that Bush hired, and went unpunished. History may not repeat itself, but it does rhyme, especially when people refuse to condemn certain past actions and "move forward" as if nothing happened. And then get surprised that those same act…

I'm not saying Obama's look-forward-not-backward schtick was the moral decision, and I can't really defend it on moral grounds at all, so I won't. But, the notion of a new president coming in and immediately prosecuting members of the previous administration suddenly sounds a lot scarier when the next president has no moral compass and has openly run on the platform of locking up his political enemies.

That said, the architects of the Bush torture program deserve to rot in jail.

Re: Where Even Nightmares Are Classified: Psychiatric Care at Guantánamo

#65

It is just plainly hypocritical to have psychiatric care at Guantánamo. The single purpose of that institution is to destroy people on the inside and outside.

They don't care if you think they are hypocrites, they are believers in their own righteousness. I wonder, do people broadly take away this message from Serenity? Not the slick-talkin space cowboys are cool message, the message about believing. The theme is repeated in the movie, but it's directly delivered by Shepherd Book. He labels the government antagonist as a believer. He literally says to Mal I don't care what…

I took a completely different message from Serenity. Shepherd new what Mal believed in and was encouraging him to stand for it. Up until that point in the film, he had behaved as if he were just a leaf on the wind.

I'm not sure that Shepherd's advice would have been the same had Mal believed differently.

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#66

Trump has said that "torture works" , and "I like waterboarding a lot" , and that he would "bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding" . When asked about former CIA Director Michael Hayden’s recent comments that the military could defy unlawful orders to torture or kill civilians, Trump said, "They won’t refuse. They’re not going to refuse, believe me." Thanks 50% of American voters. You're helping to make…

I share your condemnation of torture, but can we at least drop the partisanship and admit the alternative was hardly any better:

> So the problem for the US and the Europeans has been from the very beginning: What is it you -- who is it you are going to try to arm? [Hillary Clinton -- Goldman Sachs speeches]

In a world where the US acknowledges its role funneling weapons to extremists, the mainstream media doesn't raise an eyebrow at drone-bombings and the President is openly running an extrajudicial kill-list out of the White House, having a presidential candidate suggest that torture is a legitimate tool of war isn't even comparatively retrograde.

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For a lewd discussion? Show me proof of rape.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/woman-says-she-was...

I did say proof didn't I?

Is this the same Rolling Stone that wrote "A rape on campus"? I note the article says "Four people close to Leeds corroborated her account" - does this mean close to her on the plane, or personal friends?

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No presidential candidate got ≥50% of the vote. Clinton got the most votes, but still less than half. And that's just out of votes cast. Clinton got the backing of barely 27% of eligible voters and Trump got even less.

Comment said "of American voters". If you don't vote, you lose it, so why mention this?

Well, Hillary received more votes than Trump either way.

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Impeaching that rapey rapscallion with our House & Senate? Doubtful. I don't foresee either changing, the Democrats are not likely to have better turnout 2 or 6 years from now, so the mid-terms are likely both losers that will give Trump a stronger House & Senate.

I predict a huge Democratic turnout in 2018. I don't think Trump will run for reelection in 2020.

I predict that Trump will actually be very popular and win 2020 in a landslide. The things that Trump campaigned on aren't necessarily the things that he actually needs to do to be successful.

Re: Where Even Nightmares Are Classified: Psychiatric Care at Guantánamo

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't care if you think they are hypocrites, they are believers in their own righteousness. I wonder, do people broadly take away this message from Serenity? Not the slick-talkin space cowboys are cool message, the message about believing. The theme is repeated in the movie, but it's directly delivered by Shepherd Book. He labels the government antagonist as a believer. He literally says to Mal I don't care what…

I took a completely different message from Serenity. Shepherd new what Mal believed in and was encouraging him to stand for it. Up until that point in the film, he had behaved as if he were just a leaf on the wind. I'm not sure that Shepherd's advice would have been the same had Mal believed differently.

That is kind of what I mean with believer, someone who is driven by their beliefs (rather than drifting or whatever).
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