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Where Even Nightmares Are Classified: Psychiatric Care at Guantánamo

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Re: Where Even Nightmares Are Classified: Psychiatric Care at Guantánamo

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post #17

The staff and all involved are traitors to the human race. I hope they're charged as war criminals some day.

For that it must be a war. Killing random people in terror acts is not making you a warrior, it just de-facto withdraws your human rights.

There are many victims of torture, including those doing it.

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It is just plainly hypocritical to have psychiatric care at Guantánamo. The single purpose of that institution is to destroy people on the inside and outside.

In that kind of environment, I imagine the psychiatrists could only make things worse.

Psychologists were recruited in order to build the protocol for breaking a person. Not safety protocols or whatnot, but they used their knowledge to permanently render people insane.

It isn't a stretch to assume psychotropic drugs were used to torture the prisoners as well.

https://www.rt.com/usa/318581-lawsuit-cia-torture-psychologi...

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post #30

One of the most disturbing stories that I don't hear mentioned is of Sean Baker, who was working undercover for the USAF as part of an attempt to gauge the abuses at Guantanamo. Baker was beaten by the guards so badly that he got a serious brain injury. " In January 2003, Baker was ordered by an officer at Guantanamo to play the role of a prisoner in a training drill. [...] The soldiers in the reaction force were ope…

How were the soldiers of the reaction force supposed to know the safe word?

The article doesn't mention anything about working under cover to gauge guantanomo abuses. It says it was a drill exercise for handling uncooperative prisoners.

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post #29

Trump has said that "torture works" , and "I like waterboarding a lot" , and that he would "bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding" . When asked about former CIA Director Michael Hayden’s recent comments that the military could defy unlawful orders to torture or kill civilians, Trump said, "They won’t refuse. They’re not going to refuse, believe me." Thanks 50% of American voters. You're helping to make…

I think people voted for Trump because they agree with his stance. Is that such a ridiculous idea?

Trump is a reflection of American society.

Re: Where Even Nightmares Are Classified: Psychiatric Care at Guantánamo

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It is just plainly hypocritical to have psychiatric care at Guantánamo. The single purpose of that institution is to destroy people on the inside and outside.

They don't care if you think they are hypocrites, they are believers in their own righteousness.

I wonder, do people broadly take away this message from Serenity? Not the slick-talkin space cowboys are cool message, the message about believing. The theme is repeated in the movie, but it's directly delivered by Shepherd Book. He labels the government antagonist as a believer. He literally says to Mal I don't care what you believe in, just believe in it.

In the end, the only thing that stops the believer is having his entire world torn down.

But yeah, it's pretty hypocritical.

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#36
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Formally, yes. But let's remember why rights and laws exist at all. To regulate the society and reintegrate erroneous elements after correction. In practice, you cannot reintegrate extremist outsiders, because they are not even 'our elements'. (I'm not american, if that is important.) If we get human rights as an axiom, then yes, these are broken. But the picture is much wider now than just 'all humans are equal and…

As I understand it, human rights aren't entirely uniform. There is a right to liberty that doesn't extend to all convicted criminals. However, convicted criminals (even those convicted of serious crimes) should be (and often are) granted some rights. For one thing, they might be innocent or improperly convicted.

There are no exceptions to human rights as listed in the UN Declaration on Human Rights. http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/inde... However, article 29 says:

(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.

So you can be limited, legally, in the exercise of your rights, but you still have all the rights.

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post #30

One of the most disturbing stories that I don't hear mentioned is of Sean Baker, who was working undercover for the USAF as part of an attempt to gauge the abuses at Guantanamo. Baker was beaten by the guards so badly that he got a serious brain injury. " In January 2003, Baker was ordered by an officer at Guantanamo to play the role of a prisoner in a training drill. [...] The soldiers in the reaction force were ope…

How were the soldiers of the reaction force supposed to know the safe word? The article doesn't mention anything about working under cover to gauge guantanomo abuses. It says it was a drill exercise for handling uncooperative prisoners.

Oi... wrong about that it looks like. I could swear I read something a long time ago about this that said it was at least part of an internal investigation, but maybe not. He was a veteran of the USAF and a military policemen at the time, and one of the higher officers asked him to do the drill apparently.

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Trump has said that "torture works" , and "I like waterboarding a lot" , and that he would "bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding" . When asked about former CIA Director Michael Hayden’s recent comments that the military could defy unlawful orders to torture or kill civilians, Trump said, "They won’t refuse. They’re not going to refuse, believe me." Thanks 50% of American voters. You're helping to make…

No presidential candidate got ≥50% of the vote. Clinton got the most votes, but still less than half. And that's just out of votes cast. Clinton got the backing of barely 27% of eligible voters and Trump got even less.

Comment said "of American voters".

If you don't vote, you lose it, so why mention this?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, it might be a decade before that would even be possible again.

We can only hope that he'll be impeached for his raping/sexual assaulting.

For a lewd discussion? Show me proof of rape.
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