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Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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This has some legal implications. You can now prove fairly conclusively that your lung cancer came from smoking. I wonder if it will lead to a new wave of tobacco litigation. I think even Fisher would be convinced [1]. [1] https://priceonomics.com/why-the-father-of-modern-statistics...

Smokers were already and for a long time aware of the risks. They choose to take them. What could they possibly claim? That a product known for causing lung cancer caused lung cancer?

That's a good point, I am not a lawyer so I can't really comment. But perhaps there is a material difference between saying you developed a disease that could have been caused by smoking (as lung cancer occurs in non-smokers), and saying you were definitely harmed by smoking.

Other avenues could be:

- Smoking is also associated with other cancers, such as esophageal cancer and bladder cancer. Generally the warnings don't mention this however. By examining the mutation patterns in an esophageal cancer, you could relate it more conclusively to smoking, and could therefore claim you were not warned about that specific risk.

- Tissue samples from lung cancers diagnosed 20 or 30 years ago are sitting in archival storage. You could sequence the whole genome or exome of these tumours for about $1000 - $2000. Statute of limitations aside, sequencing these tumours could reveal the tobacco signature as a basis for a claim from a time when it was less clear or less public what the risks were.

- Passive smokers could have a case if their cancer shows a tobacco signature.

Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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A significant amount of the shredded brown innards of most modern cigarettes is a paper product called "reconstituted tobacco" or "homogenized sheet tobacco," which is made from a pulp of mashed tobacco stems and other parts of the tobacco leaf that would otherwise go to waste. Manufacturers spray and impregnate reconstituted tobacco paper with nicotine and other substances lost during the process, along with as many…

Downvoted because you provided zero evidence and pure conjecture arguing against a by now well established fact - smoking causes cancer.

Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would expect so. Alcohol can cause inflammation, triggering various parts of the immune system to kick in. This could result in the release of free radicals from these immune cells, which promotes DNA mutations.

Alcohol (ethanol) is a Type 1 / Group A carcinogen.[1] 1. http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/g...

And surprisingly no mass deaths from cancer of Russians or Irish were detected, with both nations famous for alcohol abuse. Yes, alcohol is harmful, but like Russians joke, it only kills weak brain cells.

Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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A significant amount of the shredded brown innards of most modern cigarettes is a paper product called "reconstituted tobacco" or "homogenized sheet tobacco," which is made from a pulp of mashed tobacco stems and other parts of the tobacco leaf that would otherwise go to waste. Manufacturers spray and impregnate reconstituted tobacco paper with nicotine and other substances lost during the process, along with as many…

Downvoted because you provided zero evidence and pure conjecture arguing against a by now well established fact - smoking causes cancer.

No problem, mate, its a free country. I mean Russia, of course. In the US there are established opinions that firms censorship which you just exercised.

Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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post #27

This has some legal implications. You can now prove fairly conclusively that your lung cancer came from smoking. I wonder if it will lead to a new wave of tobacco litigation. I think even Fisher would be convinced [1]. [1] https://priceonomics.com/why-the-father-of-modern-statistics...

Hitting yourself repeatedly over the head with a hammer can give you a headache. Not sure DeWalt are worried from a litigious point of view. I doubt there is a smoker alive today who can reasonably claim to have been unaware of the risks when they started. Anal point - why the apostrophe? Should it be "Smoking becauses hundreds..."?

There are plenty of people alive today who were unaware of the risks because until about the mid-80s the cigarette companies could actively deny them. You can only argue ignorance from when the mandatory product warnings were introduced.

Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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A significant amount of the shredded brown innards of most modern cigarettes is a paper product called "reconstituted tobacco" or "homogenized sheet tobacco," which is made from a pulp of mashed tobacco stems and other parts of the tobacco leaf that would otherwise go to waste. Manufacturers spray and impregnate reconstituted tobacco paper with nicotine and other substances lost during the process, along with as many…

It is actually hard to tell if you are serious or not... But the comparison you call for is actually pretty interesting.

Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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A significant amount of the shredded brown innards of most modern cigarettes is a paper product called "reconstituted tobacco" or "homogenized sheet tobacco," which is made from a pulp of mashed tobacco stems and other parts of the tobacco leaf that would otherwise go to waste. Manufacturers spray and impregnate reconstituted tobacco paper with nicotine and other substances lost during the process, along with as many…

Downvoted because you provided zero evidence and pure conjecture arguing against a by now well established fact - smoking causes cancer.

Eat this http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/editorials/vol-1/e1-4.htm No evidence that tobacco cause cancer.

Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tobacco signature goes beyond elevated rate, it has a sequence specific pattern (see http://cancer.sanger.ac.uk/cosmic/signatures ).

Very interesting, does look promising indeed. However, currently it still seems unclear that they have enough data to say with certainty that these "signatures" are unique or complete. From your source: > With more cancer genome sequences and the additional statistical power this will bring, new signatures may be found, the profiles of current signatures may be further refined, signatures may split into component sig…

These signatures will never be unique or complete. Remind you that this is biology where there is not the TRUTH to be found. At some point you can always subdivide one phenomenon in to two cases. These signatures are generated from non-negative matrix factorization which generates signature vectors more or less stable depending on the amount of input datasets and the number of signatures you want to obtain. And at some point you are limited by the amount of money you have for these dataset (still more than $1000 per patient) and how many patients exist in the end (there may be correlations we will never get to know because the search space is much bigger than the 7 billion people we are can provide in correlations.

Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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post #66

A significant amount of the shredded brown innards of most modern cigarettes is a paper product called "reconstituted tobacco" or "homogenized sheet tobacco," which is made from a pulp of mashed tobacco stems and other parts of the tobacco leaf that would otherwise go to waste. Manufacturers spray and impregnate reconstituted tobacco paper with nicotine and other substances lost during the process, along with as many…

It is actually hard to tell if you are serious or not... But the comparison you call for is actually pretty interesting.

I am damn serious. It is not tobacco that kills. And I am qualified research worker, with publications in biology. So yes, lets give it a run.

Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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I wonder if there were studies that analyzed the effect of smoking non-industrialized cigarettes. I smoke 2-4 cigarettes per day and make my own cigarettes from tobacco leaves that I dry/shred myself. The leaves in turn come from a few organically grown plants.
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