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Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by mhurron »

logfromblammo wrote: post #95
api wrote: post #16

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Today's non-geek has two choices: walled garden or malware cesspool.

Third choice: buy advice/services from an expert with similarly aligned interests. If the walled gardens charge 50% on top of the manufacturer's price (or 33% what the customer pays), there is plenty of room to undercut there.

> buy advice/services from an expert with similarly aligned interests.

For most people, that's probably the walled gardens that people not on HN don't complain about.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by hellofunk »

zwily wrote: post #86
hellofunk wrote: post #71

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Just noticed that Dash offers iOS docs. I wonder if Apple has a rule against charging a fee to provide their own documentation?

AFAIK, Dash does not distribute them. It's just a viewer.

Dash advertises offline use. And that it packages docs.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by st3v3r »

zeveb wrote: post #62
coldtea wrote: post #52

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> That's … a bit drastic. Why should Apple have any say over whose software I choose to install on a device once I have bought it from them? So that they can fully control, secure and curate the experience, which is what I am buying Apple phones for. Well, not really (I'm mostly buying them for the hardware and software combo, which I prefer to Android offerings), but I can appreciate that having a single, sandboxed,…

I don't trust Apple to have my best interests at heart. Out of all the people and organisations in the world, only I have my best interests at heart. Thus, only I can be trusted to control, secure and curate my experience.

"I don't trust Apple to have my best interests at heart."

Then don't buy their device.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by omginternets »

eridius wrote: post #58
izacus wrote: post #41

The thing the pisses me of about these cases is this: "I called them again and they said they can’t provide more information." They terminate your account and then they even refuse to tell you why. A basic human thing, a chance to fix the issue, but no. Go f* yourself from Apple and that's it.

Or it could just mean that the person they talked to couldn't see any other information beyond what had already been communicated to the developer (terminated for fraudulent activity). Assuming this was human error on the part of Apple this would make sense, because there was no actual fraudulent activity and so no info would be available beyond the fact that someone flagged the account as such.

>Or it could just mean that the person they talked to couldn't see any other information beyond what had already been communicated to the developer

Which is, in and of itself, a problem.

It's understandable that the information might not be immediately on hand, but then the correct response would be to direct the caller to someone who can help. Otherwise, yes, it does come off as a big "fuck you".

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by idbehold »

superfluid wrote: post #100
zwily wrote: post #86

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AFAIK, Dash does not distribute them. It's just a viewer.

I think it might download them for local use.

That's still considered a viewer unless it the iOS docs were included in the application when you installed it.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by st3v3r »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #31
andy_boot wrote: post #26

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The EU is a large multi country bureaucracy - they need time to consider things like this and I expect they have bigger problems to worry about. Basically don't expect an organisation that large to jump up the same day a solo developer gets banned even if it was unfair.

This is not the first time, nor will it be the last time. Stories like these have been hitting the HN front page for years. When was the last time you saw a story about Google fucking an Android developer over? I sure as hell can't remember one.

Head over to /r/androiddev sometime. You'll see constant wailing and gnashing of teeth from people because Google banned their account or sent them a warning over their app.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by mhurron »

wlesieutre wrote: post #65
coldtea wrote: post #42

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> No standard update mechanism Sparkle is the de-facto standard used by almost all apps. > no standard uninstall mechanism Deleting the .app file would do that for most apps. The config files might be handy to keep around if you re-install (and are inert anyway), else it's pretty easy to remove those too. It would be nice for the OS to be able to track "all files installed by an app" though in case those are installe…

I have known several people who were otherwise pretty competent computer users but would download a DMG, mount it, and run the app from the disk image every time. There's a reason so many downloads include a custom background image with a big "DRAG ME TO THE APPLICATIONS FOLDER" message and an arrow pointed to a /Applications alias. This is such a common use case that I don't understand why Apple didn't just make a "…

> run the app from the disk image every time.

So mush nostalgia.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by weaksauce »

ixtli wrote: post #78
kefka wrote: post #25

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I think the following is a good way to do an "App Store": http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ And companies, individuals, non-profits, and others are all allowed to run their own repos, or mirror these.

To be honest I think the chrome extension storefront(?) is pretty decent as well. It's just a matter of curation from the point they've got it at. The reality is that the average user _wants_ a barrier to entry: no one likes what download.com or sourceforge have become.

Mozilla now, and not sure how long it's been doing this, does code review on all submitted extensions to their extension marketplace. Google chrome's store is less restrictive as they don't do any review of it but rely on user reports to find violations of TOU/malicious activity.

Similar approaches to the apple app store vs. android store... up front binary check from apple vs. a permissive store with user reports being the primary thing that pulls apps from circulation.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by paulcole »

zymhan wrote: post #7
davesque wrote: post #6

Kinda puts it in perspective how weird it is that companies have so much control over how software is distributed and sold these days. This would never have happened a decade ago.

We also weren't using as many walled-garden devices and ecosystems a decade ago. There are certainly a lot of issues with the app store model. But using a service like download.com was also rife with issues.

As a consumer, I love the walled garden. I can trust things will work more or less as advertised and that I'll have financial recourse if they don't.
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