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Apple also forces developers to use their payment system which charges 30% . Yet Android is the problem.
Its called business.
"it's called being smart"
Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store
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Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
From what I understand, Apple doesn't force anyone. It's up to them to use it or not. They can always NOT deliver apps for iOS if they think 30% is too much.
That's … a bit drastic. Why should Apple have any say over whose software I choose to install on a device once I have bought it from them? (this is, incidentally, a major reason why I have not bought an Apple device in twenty years)
>That's … a bit drastic. Why should Apple have any say over whose software I choose to install on a device once I have bought it from them?
So that they can fully control, secure and curate the experience, which is what I am buying Apple phones for.
Well, not really (I'm mostly buying them for the hardware and software combo, which I prefer to Android offerings), but I can appreciate that having a single, sandboxed, signed, etc source of software on a phone, makes it more secure and hassle free thing for users (of which an extremely tiny minority are in any way computer geeks). It also creates a ecosystem that moves in lockstep with the hardware and OS changes -- even if just because it is forced to.
For others, there's always a custom Android install.
Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
From what I understand, Apple doesn't force anyone. It's up to them to use it or not. They can always NOT deliver apps for iOS if they think 30% is too much.
That's … a bit drastic. Why should Apple have any say over whose software I choose to install on a device once I have bought it from them? (this is, incidentally, a major reason why I have not bought an Apple device in twenty years)
In 20 years? That doesn't make any sense. Until iOS, Apple had no say in what you installed on your device. And even on desktop, the App Store is completely optional.
Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store
#54I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…
Thing is that laws haven't really followed the state of the market. You hear the excuse commonly here - "They don't have a monopoly so it's ok!". It's not and it's damaging the basic way how free markets do and should function - essentially the integrated, DRMed, lockeddown systems prevent choice which is the basic driving force of market innovation. Right now we're in a state where a few companies (mostly Apple, Amazon, Google) pretty much funnel and lock you into a narrow choice of products and then lock them down in a way to basically make choosing a product that helps you the most as hard as possible.
Which means they just made "voting with the wallet" infinitely harder - you can't choose a phone with headphone jack, because you're locked into iOS ecosystem which means that your choice of phone has resulted in your choice of communication platform (iMessage), house appliances (HouseKit), TV (AppleTV), source of media (iTunes), car (CarPlay and iPod integration) and others. If you want to exercise your choice as a consumer, you're essentially forced to give a lot of things to get a feature you want and that also hides consumer wishes to the corporations themselves.
The state of electronics market is getting pretty dire, sometimes I'm starting to feel like we're back in 1985 on the eastern side of Iron Curtain with a single item of each type on the store shelf.
Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store
#55I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…
Apple also forces developers to use their payment system which charges 30% . Yet Android is the problem.
Android also has the similar ToS regarding in app purchase, the only difference is that they do not currently enforce it.
For an indie developer it doesn't sound like a big issue, but for big corporations uncertainty in the business model is a big deal. Often large budgets and many jobs depend on it.
Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store
#56I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…
Typically when they remove something from the App Store, people who already downloaded or bought it can still download it again. In the past, even things that were blatantly against the TOS for the App Store were simply removed from sale , including emulators, proxy/tethering apps, etc. So if Apple really leaves Dash off of the Purchases tab (I can't find it here), it would be the first time I'm aware they've done th…
Being removed for fraudulent activity is one of the times where it makes sense for Apple to remove the download completely from the store, because you don't want the fraudulent activity to continue. Obviously it was a mistake in this case though. But I bet Apple's done this before, just not with any app that people actually gave a shit about.
Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store
#57The OS X platform already has a stupid easy download-and-install process with their .app folders. It's a shame that some users prefer to instead use an alternative distribution method controlled by a centralized party rather than buying software directly from the developer.
No standard update mechanism, no standard uninstall mechanism, and going from "I have this .dmg/.zip file in my downloads folder" to "I'm running this app from my Applications folder and don't have any leftovers in my downloads folder" is several non-obvious steps. .app bundles are great, just not a complete solution.
Is draggin an .app file to "Applications" directory such a hard exausting thing to do you'd rather give up the choice of which apps you can use and functionality of said apps (sandbox!)?
Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store
#58The thing the pisses me of about these cases is this: "I called them again and they said they can’t provide more information." They terminate your account and then they even refuse to tell you why. A basic human thing, a chance to fix the issue, but no. Go f* yourself from Apple and that's it.
Or it could just mean that the person they talked to couldn't see any other information beyond what had already been communicated to the developer (terminated for fraudulent activity). Assuming this was human error on the part of Apple this would make sense, because there was no actual fraudulent activity and so no info would be available beyond the fact that someone flagged the account as such.
Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple also forces developers to use their payment system which charges 30% . Yet Android is the problem.
From what I understand, Apple doesn't force anyone. It's up to them to use it or not. They can always NOT deliver apps for iOS if they think 30% is too much.
I don't get why people downvote this comment, it is factually correct. You are not entitled to do whatever you feel is right on the platform of someone else.
I don't like giving Apple a cut but I recognise that it is their property and I cannot dictate that Apple has to change their rules to accommodate me.
Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's … a bit drastic. Why should Apple have any say over whose software I choose to install on a device once I have bought it from them? (this is, incidentally, a major reason why I have not bought an Apple device in twenty years)
In 20 years? That doesn't make any sense. Until iOS, Apple had no say in what you installed on your device. And even on desktop, the App Store is completely optional.
I wrote 'a major reason,' not 'the major reason,' for a reason:-)
The major reason is that I got into Linux before the Mac I bought in 1996 got too old to use. I've not looked back.