Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by DiabloD3 » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:08 PM UTC

andy_boot wrote: post #26

DiabloD3 wrote: post #8

I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…

The EU is a large multi country bureaucracy - they need time to consider things like this and I expect they have bigger problems to worry about. Basically don't expect an organisation that large to jump up the same day a solo developer gets banned even if it was unfair.

This is not the first time, nor will it be the last time. Stories like these have been hitting the HN front page for years.

When was the last time you saw a story about Google fucking an Android developer over? I sure as hell can't remember one.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by mwfunk » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:08 PM UTC

krschultz wrote: post #13

DiabloD3 wrote: post #8

I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…

I simply don't understand this either. Sure Android has the larger market share by units, but Apple has a much higher share of revenue & profit in the market. Which is really the proper measure of market power?

For antitrust purposes, market share.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by coldtea » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:09 PM UTC

krschultz wrote: post #13

DiabloD3 wrote: post #8

I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…

I simply don't understand this either. Sure Android has the larger market share by units, but Apple has a much higher share of revenue & profit in the market. Which is really the proper measure of market power?

>Which is really the proper measure of market power?

It's not about market power by various metrics, it's about market penetration in numbers, period.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by coldtea » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:09 PM UTC

mmanfrin wrote: post #17

DiabloD3 wrote: post #8

I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…

Apple also forces developers to use their payment system which charges 30% . Yet Android is the problem.

From what I understand, Apple doesn't force anyone. It's up to them to use it or not. They can always NOT deliver apps for iOS if they think 30% is too much.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by jakub_g » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:10 PM UTC

DiabloD3 wrote: post #8

I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…

Can you put some link regarding the Google case in EU?

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by Sidnicious » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:10 PM UTC

Sidnicious wrote: post #24

vortico wrote: post #15

The OS X platform already has a stupid easy download-and-install process with their .app folders. It's a shame that some users prefer to instead use an alternative distribution method controlled by a centralized party rather than buying software directly from the developer.

No standard update mechanism, no standard uninstall mechanism, and going from "I have this .dmg/.zip file in my downloads folder" to "I'm running this app from my Applications folder and don't have any leftovers in my downloads folder" is several non-obvious steps. .app bundles are great, just not a complete solution.

I'd love a to be able to download a single file representing an app, double-click to install it (it doesn't matter where it lives on disk, as long as it's predictable) and then have the system facilitate sandboxing, permissions, and one-click updates and removals.

Just like the App Store, but without the App Store.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by latj » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:11 PM UTC

DiabloD3 wrote: post #8

I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…

No one is going after Google for allowing third party stores.

Google's trouble in Europe is about:

1. Not paying taxes

2. Using their dominance in Search to promote their other products and services while obscuring competitors

3. Using their dominance in mobile to promote their search and web browser

4. Not allowing third parties to use the Play Store which is the default and dominate store for android devices.

Allowing third party stores is not just a great feature for third parties. Its also a good excuse for not letting them into the real store.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by LukasP » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:11 PM UTC

This better be an error that they're going to correct. It is not acceptable behavior.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by zeveb » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:12 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #34

mmanfrin wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple also forces developers to use their payment system which charges 30% . Yet Android is the problem.

From what I understand, Apple doesn't force anyone. It's up to them to use it or not. They can always NOT deliver apps for iOS if they think 30% is too much.

That's … a bit drastic. Why should Apple have any say over whose software I choose to install on a device once I have bought it from them?

(this is, incidentally, a major reason why I have not bought an Apple device in twenty years)

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by whizzkid » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:13 PM UTC

Even though It might be a simple error on Apple's end, this is both morally and economically unacceptable. As long as it is not a top-high critical issue with the account or the application, a considerable time should be given to developer to solve the issue.

They can even freeze the money that goes to developer until the issue resolved, but cutting the app from the market and failing on both app users and the developer?

I don't think this is the best approach.