Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by gjolund » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:01 PM UTC

mmanfrin wrote: post #17

DiabloD3 wrote: post #8

I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…

Apple also forces developers to use their payment system which charges 30% . Yet Android is the problem.

Its called business.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:02 PM UTC

DiabloD3 wrote: post #8

I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…

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Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by mrsteveman1 » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:02 PM UTC

DiabloD3 wrote: post #8

I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…

Typically when they remove something from the App Store, people who already downloaded or bought it can still download it again. In the past, even things that were blatantly against the TOS for the App Store were simply removed from sale, including emulators, proxy/tethering apps, etc.

So if Apple really leaves Dash off of the Purchases tab (I can't find it here), it would be the first time I'm aware they've done this.

Hopefully they'll work things out soon one way or another.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by Sidnicious » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:04 PM UTC

vortico wrote: post #15

The OS X platform already has a stupid easy download-and-install process with their .app folders. It's a shame that some users prefer to instead use an alternative distribution method controlled by a centralized party rather than buying software directly from the developer.

No standard update mechanism, no standard uninstall mechanism, and going from "I have this .dmg/.zip file in my downloads folder" to "I'm running this app from my Applications folder and don't have any leftovers in my downloads folder" is several non-obvious steps.

.app bundles are great, just not a complete solution.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by kefka » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:05 PM UTC

maxerickson wrote: post #19

ixtli wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an excellent example: all of those less "walled gardens" ended up a mess of malware and abusive advertising. It's a pretty clear trade-off so far as I can tell.

I get a headache every time I look at an app store. Google Play is full of crap, Apple's app store has plenty of low value apps, the Windows 10 App store sucks, etc, etc, etc. They've improved user security, but the amount of garbage to sift through is terrible.

I think the following is a good way to do an "App Store":

http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/

And companies, individuals, non-profits, and others are all allowed to run their own repos, or mirror these.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by andy_boot » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:05 PM UTC

DiabloD3 wrote: post #8

I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…

The EU is a large multi country bureaucracy - they need time to consider things like this and I expect they have bigger problems to worry about.

Basically don't expect an organisation that large to jump up the same day a solo developer gets banned even if it was unfair.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by funkysquid » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:06 PM UTC

This really sucks - just bought a copy of his MacOS app through his website to try and help compensate. At this point I'm starting to avoid buying software through the Mac App Store unless it's not available anywhere else. Even if it's slightly easier to make a purchase initially, you risk the headache of situations like this where you can't even migrate your license.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by hayksaakian » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:06 PM UTC

DiabloD3 wrote: post #8

I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…

Market share is the most relevant factor for monopoly regulations

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by mcculley » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:07 PM UTC

vortico wrote: post #15

The OS X platform already has a stupid easy download-and-install process with their .app folders. It's a shame that some users prefer to instead use an alternative distribution method controlled by a centralized party rather than buying software directly from the developer.

The macOS App Store has problems but as a user, I appreciate applications that use it as the update process is a lot smoother than with applications that have their own update system.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by coldtea » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 8:08 PM UTC

DiabloD3 wrote: post #8

I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…

>... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent?

Because it's not a monopoly, and they can do whatever the damn they like while not one?

How is that difficult to parse?