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Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Maybe you aren't a great engineer?

That's pretty insulting to suggest in any case and borders on a reprehensible attitude to take personally against someone.

I did not mean that as an insult. I apologize if it came across that way. Others have made a better explanation of what I was trying to convey.

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That really depends on very much more than your skill as an engineer, and the ability to "present a business case for being paid like it" simply does not apply to the majority of employment negotiation scenarios--even ones involving the very best of the best engineers. Most, in fact almost all employers have fixed salary schedules for their positions and they simply will not deviate from these as a rule, nor will the…

It doesn't have to apply to the majority of employment negotiation scenarios. It just has to apply to enough of a particular class of worker to set the market price. I would also suggest your understanding of how often exceptions are made is very unlikely to be based on good data. Employers have ways of hiding that they are paying somebody more than their traditional salary structure when they need to make an excepti…

Yes, and the same reasoning would apply to folks suggesting that employers routinely are open to negotiation. On the other hand we have a plethora of anecdotal data (e.g. through Glassdoor and other self reporting places) and BLS salary data by region and classification (https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oessrcma.htm). The means and medians in these data are quite close. It'd be nice to see upper and lower extremes, modes and other information to gauge the actual distribution, but it strikes me as an extraordinary to claim successfully negotiating higher-than-average wages is typical.

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It doesn't have to apply to the majority of employment negotiation scenarios. It just has to apply to enough of a particular class of worker to set the market price. I would also suggest your understanding of how often exceptions are made is very unlikely to be based on good data. Employers have ways of hiding that they are paying somebody more than their traditional salary structure when they need to make an excepti…

Yes, and the same reasoning would apply to folks suggesting that employers routinely are open to negotiation. On the other hand we have a plethora of anecdotal data (e.g. through Glassdoor and other self reporting places) and BLS salary data by region and classification ( https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oessrcma.htm ). The means and medians in these data are quite close. It'd be nice to see upper and lower extremes,…

Who's saying anything about typical?

I've never been a typical employee in my life. I have, however, been the highest-paid non-manager (or so I was told; this might have been an attempt to shame me into working more for free) in a hundred-person development group, well out of band, because I brought capabilities and skills to the table that they needed more than they needed to Maintain The Integrity Of The Salary Band.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Surprised no one is commenting that their software has really poor usability. It may work well in providing secure certificates, but setup is a PITA and the documentation is abysmal.

Really?? I found it dead simple to use. 1. Install the app. 2. Run the certonly script, following the prompts. 3. Point the server at the certificates. The only hitch was stopping Nginx long enough to do the domain verification. A three line bash script fixed that.

Check out Lego [0]. You can do DNS verification instead, no need to restart nginx :)

[0]: https://github.com/xenolf/lego

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I think $200K/person is fine, but I do quibble with this: > They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley Why? Why compete for talent in Silicon Valley when there are people all over the country who'd love to work on something like this? I can get why they might prefer not to do remote teams (it's a challenge), but there are cities like Seattle, Boston, Denver, Dallas, Kansas Cit…

I'm a 3 years software engineer in France and I'm getting 29k€ (tax excluded) per year. With current exchange rate that makes SV guys getting paid 10 times more than me. Where's the onion ?

> tax excluded

Why?

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Yes, and the same reasoning would apply to folks suggesting that employers routinely are open to negotiation. On the other hand we have a plethora of anecdotal data (e.g. through Glassdoor and other self reporting places) and BLS salary data by region and classification ( https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oessrcma.htm ). The means and medians in these data are quite close. It'd be nice to see upper and lower extremes,…

Who's saying anything about typical ? I've never been a typical employee in my life. I have, however, been the highest-paid non-manager (or so I was told; this might have been an attempt to shame me into working more for free) in a hundred-person development group, well out of band, because I brought capabilities and skills to the table that they needed more than they needed to Maintain The Integrity Of The Salary Ba…

So if your point wasn't that employers routinely deviate from their prescribed bands ("as a rule") why did you respond to my comment? What I see is an anonymous Internet Person bragging without context (for all I know your non-typical experience could have been with 99 developers who were seriously below average).

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Complaining about that is insane. To put it in perspective, almost any Fortune 500 is paying $200k for a contract Level-2 helpdesk analyst.

Short term contracts might be different, but 95% of normal software engineers in germany will e.g. never reach 100k. Including those in the large corporations. I think 200k might be barely in reach for a senior manager. In other countries/regions this will even be far lower.

Germany has horrible pay, a senior software engineer for Amazon and the likes is making 60K Euro's....

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Many people here don't realize what it costs a business, in taxes, to employ someone. I think if more people realized this, we would have less people demanding a $15 pay-raise for minimum wage workers.

I strongly disagree. What the worker needs to make to have a puncher's chance at a life is not related to the amount paid in taxes.

Yes it does. As a business owner, more taxes means less money for employees (and less employees hired).

People that don't understand taxes never consider this and immediately think employers are just greedy.

Inflation is also never considered, which is exactly why we have to keep raising minimum wage in the first place.

Minimum wage increase will not help anyone in the long-run. It will only inflate the cost of goods and services for everyone within a few years.

The real answer is more education

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