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What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #223

They need to spend less or they're the next Tor foundation, an ineffective black hole of hacker wannabes and hanger-ons. Running high performance services don't cost very much as evidenced by their hosting entry. Maybe 5 engineers max. No way they are working on features every day. Should be very slow outside of patches. CA/SSL specification does not change weekly...

> CA/SSL specification does not change weekly...

The draft ACME specification does though.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #116

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I think $200K/person is fine, but I do quibble with this: > They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley Why? Why compete for talent in Silicon Valley when there are people all over the country who'd love to work on something like this? I can get why they might prefer not to do remote teams (it's a challenge), but there are cities like Seattle, Boston, Denver, Dallas, Kansas Cit…

You people are hilarious. Hey, YC, I've got a great idea for a startup in the incredibly hot cert/encryption space. The team is world class and in place. The product is shipping and customers are doubling every 6 months. $8 million at $40 million please. Y'all idolize the bloodsuckers in Teslas that run this site, and give Josh and team grief. Jeez.

I somehow can't imagine 'dang owns a Tesla. Seems a like a Boosted Board guy to me. Also, not a bloodsucker.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #220

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"Payroll tax" (more appropriately known as the employer-side of the FICA tax) is only 7%, it's really not what I would qualify as "a bitch". My wages are 80% of my total compensation (my employer provides a nice breakdown of insurance costs, 401(k) match, etc), factor in 7% of my wages going to FICA and their total cost to employ me with my total compensation package is ~125% of my annual salary. I also make a fairly…

Not in CA. http://www.adp.com/-/media/Compliance/2016%20Fast%20Wage%20a...

Ah, yes, forgot about UI and workers comp, so let's make that ~130% (assuming an employer doesn't have egregious numbers of unemployment claims which cause their UI to skyrocket).

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think $200K/person is fine, but I do quibble with this: > They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley Why? Why compete for talent in Silicon Valley when there are people all over the country who'd love to work on something like this? I can get why they might prefer not to do remote teams (it's a challenge), but there are cities like Seattle, Boston, Denver, Dallas, Kansas Cit…

You people are hilarious. Hey, YC, I've got a great idea for a startup in the incredibly hot cert/encryption space. The team is world class and in place. The product is shipping and customers are doubling every 6 months. $8 million at $40 million please. Y'all idolize the bloodsuckers in Teslas that run this site, and give Josh and team grief. Jeez.

Wow another person who questions the usurers!

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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They are not paying $250k per employee. You have to factor in payroll taxes, paying accountants to keep books and CPAs to do taxes, benefits, and a multitude of other regulation-imposed payroll costs. All of this is to support salaries of around $125k - $150k. The same goes for pretty much any employer. If a fast food restaurant hires someone at $8/hr, it actually costs them around $16/hr to hire the employee. In a f…

In Sweden the head of state earns less money than the average Let's Encrypt employee.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #80

All the complaints about salaries are dismaying. Why not consider that plenty of other places seriously undercompensate engineers instead of trying to cut this organization's pay structure down?

People overwhelmingly want others to have less than them more than they want themselves to have more. It's ridiculous, but true.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #229

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I'd rather avoid PayPal, and I like Patreon as a central clearinghouse for monthly donations.

On the flipside, Patreon takes a 5% cut on top of whatever fees there are for the payment method you use, so there's less of your dollar reaching the intended recipient.

https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&conte... says PayPal takes $0.30 per transaction plus 2.2%, so that's a full 1/3 of my dollar gone there.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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As covered elsewhere, most of the team is remote. But they still get SV salaries because great people get those salaries no matter where they are.

It doesn't work that way for all the remote jobs and contracts I've worked.

Maybe you aren't a great engineer?

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think $200K/person is fine, but I do quibble with this: > They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley Why? Why compete for talent in Silicon Valley when there are people all over the country who'd love to work on something like this? I can get why they might prefer not to do remote teams (it's a challenge), but there are cities like Seattle, Boston, Denver, Dallas, Kansas Cit…

Also there are other countries than the US

There are not insignificant complexities involved in hiring people multinationally.
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