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What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #180

So, what's the plan for when the bubble pops, Let's Encrypt runs out of funding, and meanwhile all browsers have switched to requiring HTTPS for all websites?

My guess is someone like Google would come in and fill the spot for free or very very cheap. I think Google/Microsoft/Apple/etc could donate the 10+ people they need without even batting an eye.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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> We’re currently working to raise the money we need to operate through the next year. Please consider donating or becoming a sponsor if you’re able to do so! In the event that we end up being able to raise more money than we need to just keep Let’s Encrypt running we can look into adding other services to improve access to a more secure and privacy-respecting Web. Wouldn't they want to secure funding for 5+ years fo…

I'd guess that the company-sponsors are on the hook for more than a year.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think $2.91M is a modest (if not lean) budget for the important work they're doing. How many websites now have HTTPS because of LetsEncrypt? How much would they have needed to pay for certificates from an incumbent CA?

I agree in terms of results and like them. Yet, I'll ask you since you're still in industry: "Wouldn't it be cheaper if they got hackers in Germany like close to Berlin? And not be operating in a police state with secret courts and such?" The latter is ironic given Germany's history. Legal aside, I've seen plenty of folks over there putting together OS's, VPN's, cryptophones, etc. Most doing heavy lifting don't make…

> Most doing heavy lifting don't make SF wages or have office costs that high.

I work remotely from home and don't make anywhere near as much as someone in the valley. However, I'm quite happy with my cost of living. :)

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #139

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> Your value shouldn't be tied to where you live per se. If that was the case people wouldn't make $200k in SV, $75k in Omaha, and $9k in Phuket for the same job.

People who are near the top of the skill curve, and can present a business case for being paid like it , don't make $75K in Omaha for that job. (They may make $9K in Phuket, but there are additional factors on top of that.) If I left Boston today, I'd still make what I make here. I have considered doing exactly that.

That really depends on very much more than your skill as an engineer, and the ability to "present a business case for being paid like it" simply does not apply to the majority of employment negotiation scenarios--even ones involving the very best of the best engineers. Most, in fact almost all employers have fixed salary schedules for their positions and they simply will not deviate from these as a rule, nor will they entertain negotiation around them.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who are near the top of the skill curve, and can present a business case for being paid like it , don't make $75K in Omaha for that job. (They may make $9K in Phuket, but there are additional factors on top of that.) If I left Boston today, I'd still make what I make here. I have considered doing exactly that.

That really depends on very much more than your skill as an engineer, and the ability to "present a business case for being paid like it" simply does not apply to the majority of employment negotiation scenarios--even ones involving the very best of the best engineers. Most, in fact almost all employers have fixed salary schedules for their positions and they simply will not deviate from these as a rule, nor will the…

> Most, in fact almost all employers have fixed salary schedules for their positions and they simply will not deviate from these as a rule, nor will they entertain negotiation around them.

Most employers will happily tell you that this is the case. That does not mean that it is so. If you rate it, those doors will, at many companies, open. But you have to rate doing something that is Not Normal, and you have to be able to communicate why you rate having the people dealing with your hiring stick their neck out and do something that is Not Normal. This is hard. Few people (not just engineers) can do that. But it can be done.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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They are not paying $250k per employee. You have to factor in payroll taxes, paying accountants to keep books and CPAs to do taxes, benefits, and a multitude of other regulation-imposed payroll costs. All of this is to support salaries of around $125k - $150k. The same goes for pretty much any employer. If a fast food restaurant hires someone at $8/hr, it actually costs them around $16/hr to hire the employee. In a f…

In Sweden the head of state earns less money than the average Let's Encrypt employee.

The Swedish head of state does not live in Silicon Valley (and I would be surprised if the Swedish state is spending less than $250k/yr. in total on its monarchy).

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That really depends on very much more than your skill as an engineer, and the ability to "present a business case for being paid like it" simply does not apply to the majority of employment negotiation scenarios--even ones involving the very best of the best engineers. Most, in fact almost all employers have fixed salary schedules for their positions and they simply will not deviate from these as a rule, nor will the…

> Most, in fact almost all employers have fixed salary schedules for their positions and they simply will not deviate from these as a rule, nor will they entertain negotiation around them. Most employers will happily tell you that this is the case. That does not mean that it is so. If you rate it, those doors will, at many companies, open. But you have to rate doing something that is Not Normal, and you have to be ab…

It means exactly that it is so for almost all cases. There are always going to be exceptions, but those are just that: exceptions. There's a reason they're called "exceptions." Edit: the people who set compensation are very rarely the people that decide whether to hire you. The latter may communicate the salary HR dictates to them, but they almost never have negotiation power within their own employers' structure.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #180

So, what's the plan for when the bubble pops, Let's Encrypt runs out of funding, and meanwhile all browsers have switched to requiring HTTPS for all websites?

My guess is someone like Google would come in and fill the spot for free or very very cheap. I think Google/Microsoft/Apple/etc could donate the 10+ people they need without even batting an eye.

And Let's Encrypt have created open-source software and standard protocols for running an automated, free CA. So anyone (with sufficient money) could provide a drop-in replacement if needed or desired.
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