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What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by honest_george »

Spooky23 wrote: post #108
jedberg wrote: post #37

To everyone complaining about the $250K (see edit, it's actually 200K) per person in salary (which seems to be everyone at the moment), a few things to keep in mind: 1) That includes benefits 2) They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley 3) Given what they have accomplished with such a small team, these are probably high caliber people. 4) In SV there is a good 25% premium you…

Complaining about that is insane. To put it in perspective, almost any Fortune 500 is paying $200k for a contract Level-2 helpdesk analyst.

For more context, consider (1). It shows the expected pay for someone with a masters in comp sci, working as an engineer in Belgium. It tops out at just over 5k (gross) a month, so just about 65k a year. Less than one third of 200k.

(1): https://imgur.com/a/zRWXT

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by callesgg »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #277
callesgg wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Sweden the head of state earns less money than the average Let's Encrypt employee.

The Swedish head of state does not live in Silicon Valley (and I would be surprised if the Swedish state is spending less than $250k/yr. in total on its monarchy).

My point was not that Sweden i great and cheap, it was that you can get allot for those sums of money.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by mirages »

zeveb wrote: post #116
jedberg wrote: post #37

To everyone complaining about the $250K (see edit, it's actually 200K) per person in salary (which seems to be everyone at the moment), a few things to keep in mind: 1) That includes benefits 2) They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley 3) Given what they have accomplished with such a small team, these are probably high caliber people. 4) In SV there is a good 25% premium you…

I think $200K/person is fine, but I do quibble with this: > They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley Why? Why compete for talent in Silicon Valley when there are people all over the country who'd love to work on something like this? I can get why they might prefer not to do remote teams (it's a challenge), but there are cities like Seattle, Boston, Denver, Dallas, Kansas Cit…

I'm a 3 years software engineer in France and I'm getting 29k€ (tax excluded) per year. With current exchange rate that makes SV guys getting paid 10 times more than me. Where's the onion ?

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by chrischen »

mirages wrote: post #353
zeveb wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think $200K/person is fine, but I do quibble with this: > They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley Why? Why compete for talent in Silicon Valley when there are people all over the country who'd love to work on something like this? I can get why they might prefer not to do remote teams (it's a challenge), but there are cities like Seattle, Boston, Denver, Dallas, Kansas Cit…

I'm a 3 years software engineer in France and I'm getting 29k€ (tax excluded) per year. With current exchange rate that makes SV guys getting paid 10 times more than me. Where's the onion ?

This just means France has a weak software industry.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by balls187 »

jedberg wrote: post #37

To everyone complaining about the $250K (see edit, it's actually 200K) per person in salary (which seems to be everyone at the moment), a few things to keep in mind: 1) That includes benefits 2) They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley 3) Given what they have accomplished with such a small team, these are probably high caliber people. 4) In SV there is a good 25% premium you…

According to https://letsencrypt.org/jobs/

"All of our positions are remote, and we can only hire in the United States and Canada."

Curious how benefits are worked out for remote employees?

Also its ~200k per person, which is all the costs including overhead: salary, benefits, equipment, etc.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by balls187 »

jedberg wrote: post #37

To everyone complaining about the $250K (see edit, it's actually 200K) per person in salary (which seems to be everyone at the moment), a few things to keep in mind: 1) That includes benefits 2) They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley 3) Given what they have accomplished with such a small team, these are probably high caliber people. 4) In SV there is a good 25% premium you…

According to https://letsencrypt.org/jobs/

"All of our positions are remote, and we can only hire in the United States and Canada."

Curious how benefits are worked out for remote employees?

Also its ~200k per person, which is all the costs including overhead: salary, benefits, equipment, etc.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by Veen »

resmote wrote: post #263
sbov wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that not being "great" is insulting is more toxic than assuming someone isn't great. Lots of hero worship in this industry that fucks with people's egos - your statement being a prime example.

He directly insulted me, clarify how in your thinking, this has anything to do with hero worship? Stating your views without falling back on the needless application of profanity is something I'd appreciate.

If you understand great as considerably better than average, then you probably aren't great. I'm not. Almost no one is, although almost everyone thinks they beat the curve.

If you understand great to mean merely competent, then I think you're abusing the meaning of "great".

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by lazyjones »

mirages wrote: post #353
zeveb wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think $200K/person is fine, but I do quibble with this: > They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley Why? Why compete for talent in Silicon Valley when there are people all over the country who'd love to work on something like this? I can get why they might prefer not to do remote teams (it's a challenge), but there are cities like Seattle, Boston, Denver, Dallas, Kansas Cit…

I'm a 3 years software engineer in France and I'm getting 29k€ (tax excluded) per year. With current exchange rate that makes SV guys getting paid 10 times more than me. Where's the onion ?

> I'm getting 29k€ (tax excluded) per year.

Ask your employer first how much it costs to pay you that. It's probably much more than you think. The LE people get paid <=3x as much as you and that's easily justified with SV salaries in general and their expertise.

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