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Post by meira »

thomasfoster96 wrote: post #209
meira wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's get to some definitions here. Is a country democratic if it has local elections and at the same time segreggate their own and drone other nations - while removing democratically elected presidents ?

> Is a country democratic if it has local elections and at the same time segreggate their own and drone other nations - while removing democratically elected presidents ? I assume you're referring to America. And my answer would be that yes, as abhorrent as segregation, drone strikes and backing coups in other countries is, that doesn't nullify the elections held within that country. It's still a democracy.

So You're agreeing with me that this is bullshit and US is not a democracy? After all, Obama was elected to halt Wars and we are on the brink of WWIII. You vote but don't get what you elect. Now, if we add big money to the sum, I would say the American polítical regime is the worst in the world.

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Post by restalis »

fmueller wrote: post #217
Hasknewbie wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No offense, but you sound like an aging white man slamming his fist on the table and hectoring "what we need is a good war!" at family dinners. Human rights, and more specifically due process, are not 'Western', they've just been formulated there. Do you believe gravity is 'white' or 'jewish' because it was formulated by Einstein? And societies that 'get' due process objectively do better: tell me, who does better in…

> You can't _claim_ guilt, you need proof, and to get proof you need due process. You don't need it when you are at war. Killing people is normal during a wa even without evidence.

There is no war. There is nothing even close to a war zone. If you consider the society threatened on such a level there are steps to be taken, like declaring the martial law and such. But this... is just madness to me, covered by populist propaganda!

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Post by croon »

pluma wrote: post #144
croon wrote: post #99

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I agree with everything you say, apart from a part at the end. > ... and neither of them is going to openly do stupid drastic things like telling civilians to murder other people in the streets. Sure, that's valid. But while I'm no fan of Hillary, she is, as you said, cold and calculating, which I posit as the major difference between the two. Trump is hotheaded and impulsive, and while we'll never see him (knock on…

To be quite honest, yes, I could see him say that. But only because he seems to have little inhibition to say whatever comes to his mind without thinking of how people will react to it. But I couldn't see him enacting such policies . That's the important differentiator IMO. Let's also not forget being a president is slightly more involved than just saying things to make them happen.

Absolutely. Thank god for bureaucracy ;)

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Post by [deleted] »

pluma wrote: post #144
croon wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with everything you say, apart from a part at the end. > ... and neither of them is going to openly do stupid drastic things like telling civilians to murder other people in the streets. Sure, that's valid. But while I'm no fan of Hillary, she is, as you said, cold and calculating, which I posit as the major difference between the two. Trump is hotheaded and impulsive, and while we'll never see him (knock on…

To be quite honest, yes, I could see him say that. But only because he seems to have little inhibition to say whatever comes to his mind without thinking of how people will react to it. But I couldn't see him enacting such policies . That's the important differentiator IMO. Let's also not forget being a president is slightly more involved than just saying things to make them happen.

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Post by kweinber »

jdimov10 wrote: post #171
norswap wrote: post #148

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Gotta love your brand of moral relativism.

Morals and ethics can only ever be relative / subjective / personal. Moral absolutism is the root of all evil.

RMS is absolutist, does that make the FSF evil? If one is absolutist about being against rape or child crimes, what evil does that cause? The courage and consistency of ones conviction shouldn't be the basis of judging its merit.

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Post by tim333 »

maze-le wrote: post #168
jister wrote: post #127

DISCLAIMER: I am a Filipino and I live in the Philippines When an international media writes something without much knowledge on what's really going on it blows out of proportion. Now let me give you an idea of our situation here before the Duterte presidency. HISTORY ============== The Marcoses and Aquinos and their cronies, have brought the Philippines to its knees for decades (50 years). These families are what we…

It is always interesting to hear how things are going from someone who actually lives there. I condemn these extrajudicial killings and find it abhorrent to call on the population to kill their neighbours, whatever problems they may cause/suffer. On the other hand, I don't know if I would think the same if I would be living there. I don't know the situation in the Philippines, but in Mexico there are armed vigilante…

I went to visit a friend in the Philippines in Feb and she'd moved from Manila to Davao specifically for the lower crime under Duterte - he's been mayor there for many years. Although his policies are iffy people there know what they are voting for and he seems popular so far - "84 percent of those surveyed showed 'much trust' in Duterte" http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/795717/sws-duterte-begins-presi...

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Post by thomasfoster96 »

meira wrote: post #221
thomasfoster96 wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is a country democratic if it has local elections and at the same time segreggate their own and drone other nations - while removing democratically elected presidents ? I assume you're referring to America. And my answer would be that yes, as abhorrent as segregation, drone strikes and backing coups in other countries is, that doesn't nullify the elections held within that country. It's still a democracy.

So You're agreeing with me that this is bullshit and US is not a democracy? After all, Obama was elected to halt Wars and we are on the brink of WWIII. You vote but don't get what you elect. Now, if we add big money to the sum, I would say the American polítical regime is the worst in the world.

No, actually I said that the US is still a democracy.

People voted for Obama and they got Obama. Obama may have said what he wanted to do in office back in 2008 and then not been able to achieve those things, but that doesn't make the US undemocratic. That's how representative democracy works - you vote for representatives, not policies.

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Post by 7Z7 »

ehnto wrote: post #136
simonh wrote: post #82

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I'm sure if the entire country was heavily armed and bullets were handed out like sweets the situation would calm right down very quickly. The US arms industry would be happy to provide them with a nice bulk discount.

You seem very sure and I can't think of why you imagine this would work. Give everyone a license to kill, give everyone a gun, and after that you think everything would just sort itself out? Do you believe that only the right people will survive and then everything will be fine? Absolutely no risk of a violent degradation into chaos, looting, riots?

Feels like you are missing the sarcasm..

..I hope.

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Post by Eutow »

cocotino wrote: post #132
jacquesm wrote: post #121

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> History has proven that doing away with all the uncivilised people makes a society better. Citation fairly urgently needed. Does that mean we will have to get rid of the killers as well? They're uncivilized people as well, after all. > Even if a few innocents die. Ah, that's too bad. > To make an omelette you have to break some eggs. You've got to be kidding.

>Citation fairly urgently needed. Think of African or American colonisation for example. Local opposition had to be removed. Think of the war on drugs in the USA, which was a covert operation to kill blacks. Etc >Does that mean we will have to get rid of the killers as well? They're uncivilized people as well, after all. No they are not. They earned the right to kill drug lords and junkies through democracy. With all…

>Think of African or American colonisation for example. Local opposition had to be removed.

I'm sorry, WHAT?!

Please please expound.

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Post by restalis »

Hasknewbie wrote: post #135
OoTheNigerian wrote: post #43

As usual, mostly western commentators sitting on their high horses pointing and pontificating with no idea of local context or understanding. First of all, Duterte was elected overwhelmingly with a clear mandate of using brute violence to clear out drug dealers. He was clear about it and he is delivering on that mandate. I have to accept, he has made a PR error by not calling them terrorists. At which point, he will…

No offense, but you sound like an aging white man slamming his fist on the table and hectoring "what we need is a good war!" at family dinners. Human rights, and more specifically due process, are not 'Western', they've just been formulated there. Do you believe gravity is 'white' or 'jewish' because it was formulated by Einstein? And societies that 'get' due process objectively do better: tell me, who does better in…

"Human rights, and more specifically due process, are not 'Western', they've just been formulated there."

Not even that. I'm not sure to what do we refer exactly by (western) "human rights". Is it the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? That was not "western", as the United Nations General Assembly, which adopted it, had equal representation of all member nations, including Philippines. Is it something else, something older, like the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, passed somewhere in the French Revolution? Well, we can find less "western" versions before that all over the world and history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_human_rights

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