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Hacker News' “Who is Hiring?” thread, part 2, remote and locations

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Post by jballanc »

spraak wrote: post #106
jballanc wrote: post #25

One additional reason that I've observed to add to the list: * Declining dominance of the Microsoft/Oracle hegemony in secondary markets During the '90s Microsoft and Oracle were particularly effective at entering emerging markets and pushing their solutions to such a degree that "computer programmer" became synonymous with "Microsoft/Oracle developer". Thus, if you wanted to become a software developer in one of the…

Is there anywhere (e.g. blog) you've shared about your move and experience living in Turkey? Like, do you speak Turkish for your job?

Unfortunately I'm woefully behind on blogging, and there's a number of programming topics that are higher on the list than anything like that. In short, though, Turkey is a great place with friendly people, breathtakingly-amazing food, and lots to see and do. I work remotely, and English is the lingua franca of everyone I work with, though I have managed to learn enough Turkish to get around at home.

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Post by dragonwriter »

source99 wrote: post #99
rco8786 wrote: post #89

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You can do a lot better then a 1Br on a 300k salary in the Bay Area. Even in the most expensive parts.

Just for fun: $300K pre tax. Tax rate of 40% $180K after taxes High Quality Child Care for 2 Children = $6K per month or $72K / year 108K after childcare 3Br house in SF - http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/hhh?search_distance=4&pos... Call it $6K / month or $72K per year $36K left after housing + Childcare + taxes. $3K / month for transportation, food, clothing, vacations. Good luck...

> $300K pre tax. Tax rate of 40%

Unlikely. I mean, with absolutely no deductions, credits, or exemptions at all, your combined state and federal income and payroll taxes at $300K would be about 44% -- assuming a single filer.

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Post by bogomipz »

TrickzOnU wrote: post #81
kowdermeister wrote: post #71

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$70k is a splendid salary if you live outside the US :) It's probably more than I ever earned in my lifetime.

Yes, i'd take a $70k salary while living in North Carolina. But the "shortage" being discussed here is for the Bay Area. I'm here, let me break down my costs: - $17k taxes - $3k health care premiums - $7k college loans - $36k rent - almost nothing left for savings, retirement, down payment, engagement ring, any means to get out of my situation

Can I ask what 36K in rent affords and roughly which part of the Bar Area?

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Post by charlesdm »

idrios wrote: post #150
p4wnc6 wrote: post #116

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Not really. Developers who are good enough to command that wage in the Bay Area, but who live elsewhere, also know how good they are. They might be willing to take a slight pay cut from what the lives-in-Bay-Area person would be paid, but whatever the pay cut is, it will not be proportional to cost of living. E.g. if I could earn 400k living in SF, but you offer to pay me 200K living in Lincoln, Nebraska, I'll turn y…

I agree with the parent comment of this. The bay area gets a lot of attention because it's the software capital of the world, and software has these crazy gross margins and rapid life cycles that allow companies to be born, experience explosive growth, make insane profits, (potentially) suffer radical declines, leading to a quick boom or bust. Software companies make great news stories, so the bay area gets a lot of…

Why do you talk about ivy league graduates? Honestly, the degree is completely irrelevant. If you're a good developer living in Europe and/or the US, you can command $200k-400k a year (often as a consultant) doing specialised work. Plenty of companies are comfortable paying a day rate of $2000-5000 for someone who can deliver results. Not always super easy to get the work, but doable.

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Post by doozy »

lohengramm wrote: post #154
doozy wrote: post #129

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It may be a splendid salary in some locations outside the US, it is not in many others. Americans tend to believe they are wealthier than anyone else. Not so! Apart of the fact several countries in Europe have higher salaries (and cost of living than the US) there's the fact major cities are much more expensive than smaller ones, even in poorer countries. Case in point: The most expensive cities in the Americas are S…

Just for the record: $70k is still an amazing salary for São Paulo. Actually, you can find good enough developers for half of that.

That's not the point, the point is $70k in Sao Paulo buys you a lower standard of living than $70k pretty much anywhere in the US but in a handful of cities.

$70k in Sao Paulo doesn't go much further than $70k in New York (or Tokyo, London, Paris, Singapore...)

Do I have to remind you how much a computer, a smartphone or a car costs in Brazil compared to the US?

I doubt your claim of finding "good enough" developers for $35k. I was making more than that in my first job, fresh out of school, when I had zero real world experience, working remotely for an American company, and that was in the early 2000s.

Most companies would be elated to find even a competent html/css/js coder for that price.

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Post by thesmart »

anonymousguy wrote: post #45
TrickzOnU wrote: post #16

I loved this line from the article "With unsolved US VISA problems for STEM workers, IT companies might have to get creative to hire potential employees." -- Yeah, creative...like paying a living wage for the location. Pay salaries that will allow someone to rent their own 1B (not bunking) and the "shortage" will magically disappear.

Or, just leave the bay area... http://www.moving.com/real-estate/compare-cities/results.asp... Seriously... why should a smaller house cost nearly 10x more in the same country? You won't be paid 10x less where the cheaper houses are.

Uhm, usually because living in the Bay Area is actually a 10x better life for some people. Great weather, very diverse, lots of jobs, public transit is good, arts are amazing, food is amazing, close to sea and ski, etc. etc.

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Post by branchless »

danieltillett wrote: post #153
branchless wrote: post #79

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The system of usury against land ensures that land costs adapt to absorb all available income after food/clothing/energy costs have been accounted for. Why is silicon valley more expensive to rent in? Because people came with money and the banks agreed to loan at a multiple of the new wage ceiling. If wages increase x4 guess what will happen? We need to stop banks creating debt to issue against land otherwise it will…

Rents can only increase if the supply is limited compared to the demand. Anything that decreases supply why demand is high will only increase prices. The solution is to either increase supply or decrease demand for housing.

I guess they didn't get the memo on this in all the pre 2008 countries where supply was being added like crazy and so was credit and prices rose before a huge crash.

It's very naive to think that this is simply any one factor, especially supply and demand alone.

Why are economics conversations so limited?

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Post by anonymousguy »

thesmart wrote: post #166
anonymousguy wrote: post #45

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Or, just leave the bay area... http://www.moving.com/real-estate/compare-cities/results.asp... Seriously... why should a smaller house cost nearly 10x more in the same country? You won't be paid 10x less where the cheaper houses are.

Uhm, usually because living in the Bay Area is actually a 10x better life for some people. Great weather, very diverse, lots of jobs, public transit is good, arts are amazing, food is amazing, close to sea and ski, etc. etc.

The bay area art scene could be better, but I doubt 10x better. Fort Worth, which I used to compare in my previous comment, has some pretty strong art museums recognized internationally.

https://www.fortworth.com/about/neighborhoods-districts/cult...

Soon Fort Worth will over take San Fransisco in population, and at the last recession was far less disrupted economically. Speaking purely from data and statistics Fort Worth is more diverse than San Fransisco with regards to ethnicity, religion, nationality, and so forth. And I doubt there is a substantial difference in the diversity of food options since I have been to San Fransisco. The weather and public transit are likely superior though.

Otherwise, if I were single and had 10x the income I would likely agree that the bay area is a more fun place to be.

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Post by lohengramm »

doozy wrote: post #165
lohengramm wrote: post #154

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Just for the record: $70k is still an amazing salary for São Paulo. Actually, you can find good enough developers for half of that.

That's not the point, the point is $70k in Sao Paulo buys you a lower standard of living than $70k pretty much anywhere in the US but in a handful of cities. $70k in Sao Paulo doesn't go much further than $70k in New York (or Tokyo, London, Paris, Singapore...) Do I have to remind you how much a computer, a smartphone or a car costs in Brazil compared to the US? I doubt your claim of finding "good enough" developers…

I understood your point about comparing São Paulo to other cities. I just wanted to point out that, in absolute terms (not relative to other ṕlaces), $70k is a great salary for SP standards.

About the $35k claim, let's make the math: currently USD 35k ~= BRL 115k. 115k/12 ~= 9.6k. That means USD 35k/year is roughly BRL 9.6k/month, which is the salary of a Senior Java guy here. Idk about 2000, but it seems like you were doing very good back then.

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Post by pat_space »

aphextron wrote: post #149
devonkim wrote: post #114

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Those of us that have worked as remote engineers for a lot of our career know that most companies in general are just plain not managed in a way that would work for companies that have lots of remote workers, especially larger companies. Policies that discourage and undermine remote work that are popular with large companies include: 1. Mandatory all-hands meeting times 2. Banning popular communications platforms lik…

>2. Banning popular communications platforms like Slack, Google Chat, Skype What? Who would do this?

A lot more enterprises than you think, unfortunately.
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