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Hacker News' “Who is Hiring?” thread, part 2, remote and locations

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Just ask the person to form a company and hire that company? I've never heard of anyone having any difficulty with this. And even if you're paying an individual you just need to get their W8-BEN or withhold 30%; it's not that difficult. Or, what are you referring to?

Forming a company isn't all that easy. Also, now that person has to pay their own SS and Medicare tax, or if they form a C corp, they have to file incorporation papers and tax returns and filing fees and... Also, if I pay a person through their company like a contractor for too long, the IRS comes down on me because they assume I'm trying to skirt tax laws (and rightly so, because that's basically what you're suggest…

LLCs and S-Corps are useful for their flow-through taxation. It's not a big deal if you're 1099'ing a contractor running their own business, no?

When I did sidework, the side gigs all 1099'd me.

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Just ask the person to form a company and hire that company? I've never heard of anyone having any difficulty with this. And even if you're paying an individual you just need to get their W8-BEN or withhold 30%; it's not that difficult. Or, what are you referring to?

Forming a company isn't all that easy. Also, now that person has to pay their own SS and Medicare tax, or if they form a C corp, they have to file incorporation papers and tax returns and filing fees and... Also, if I pay a person through their company like a contractor for too long, the IRS comes down on me because they assume I'm trying to skirt tax laws (and rightly so, because that's basically what you're suggest…

Sorry I was thinking remote as in outside the US. I suppose handling benefits and payroll across state boundaries can get tricky.

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I think its a lot more complex than that. If the cost of beef was increased 4x for whatever reason, then most people would just switch their preference for meat. There are ofcourse a lot of greedy companies. But a lot of the time the consumer demands a price point for software product, many startups cannot afford to pay 400K to developers. I think its not a reflection of how difficult it might be to create software b…

The system of usury against land ensures that land costs adapt to absorb all available income after food/clothing/energy costs have been accounted for. Why is silicon valley more expensive to rent in? Because people came with money and the banks agreed to loan at a multiple of the new wage ceiling. If wages increase x4 guess what will happen? We need to stop banks creating debt to issue against land otherwise it will…

Rents can only increase if the supply is limited compared to the demand. Anything that decreases supply why demand is high will only increase prices. The solution is to either increase supply or decrease demand for housing.

Re: Hacker News' “Who is Hiring?” thread, part 2, remote and locations

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$70k is a splendid salary if you live outside the US :) It's probably more than I ever earned in my lifetime.

It may be a splendid salary in some locations outside the US, it is not in many others. Americans tend to believe they are wealthier than anyone else. Not so! Apart of the fact several countries in Europe have higher salaries (and cost of living than the US) there's the fact major cities are much more expensive than smaller ones, even in poorer countries. Case in point: The most expensive cities in the Americas are S…

Just for the record: $70k is still an amazing salary for São Paulo. Actually, you can find good enough developers for half of that.

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Those of us that have worked as remote engineers for a lot of our career know that most companies in general are just plain not managed in a way that would work for companies that have lots of remote workers, especially larger companies. Policies that discourage and undermine remote work that are popular with large companies include: 1. Mandatory all-hands meeting times 2. Banning popular communications platforms lik…

>2. Banning popular communications platforms like Slack, Google Chat, Skype What? Who would do this?

Almost everyone I've worked for in enterprise and defense, for starters. A couple places didn't allow chat applications that recorded history (too much liability during legal investigations was the excuse I heard). Doesn't mean that these policies weren't violated.

This isn't the worst I've heard by far though. A lot of places won't give developers even power user access to their own laptops so you need to request installation of every application you might ever want, including git, Cygwin, etc. Many places will not allow users to run VMs either (and will disable VT-x mode in BIOSes that are locked out).

Re: Hacker News' “Who is Hiring?” thread, part 2, remote and locations

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post #116

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Not really. Developers who are good enough to command that wage in the Bay Area, but who live elsewhere, also know how good they are. They might be willing to take a slight pay cut from what the lives-in-Bay-Area person would be paid, but whatever the pay cut is, it will not be proportional to cost of living. E.g. if I could earn 400k living in SF, but you offer to pay me 200K living in Lincoln, Nebraska, I'll turn y…

I agree with the parent comment of this. The bay area gets a lot of attention because it's the software capital of the world, and software has these crazy gross margins and rapid life cycles that allow companies to be born, experience explosive growth, make insane profits, (potentially) suffer radical declines, leading to a quick boom or bust. Software companies make great news stories, so the bay area gets a lot of…

My comment was solely about the desire or ability to pay top non-Bay Area devs far less than Bay Area devs.

I agree about the hubris. And for as much hubris as there is about the coveted "SV developer" it's at least 10x worse hubris regarding the coveted SV startup as employment destination.

Re: Hacker News' “Who is Hiring?” thread, part 2, remote and locations

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Not really. Developers who are good enough to command that wage in the Bay Area, but who live elsewhere, also know how good they are. They might be willing to take a slight pay cut from what the lives-in-Bay-Area person would be paid, but whatever the pay cut is, it will not be proportional to cost of living. E.g. if I could earn 400k living in SF, but you offer to pay me 200K living in Lincoln, Nebraska, I'll turn y…

You have to bear in mind that the dollars productivity of a programmer (how much money that programmer brings) doesn't only depend of his/her skills, but also of the company he's working. A programmer can bring tens of millions a year if he works in HFT in a hedge fund, much less otherwise. Companies in the Bay area have access to more funding, and are (I assume) willing to pay good programmers the high salaries you…

I have not found this to be true at all. The highest wage I've ever earned was from a rank and file big box corporate firm doing incredibly boring parochial line of business work as an intermediate developer smack in the middle of the engineering hierarchy.

I've worked in quant finance before too and the trouble there is that pay is more political. Firm sizes are smaller and the people with political power extract a bunch of rent, then leave a comparatively tiny bonus pool for all of the low level workers. It takes years of soul crushing political games to get up into that stratosphere of much higher bonuses. On the bottom, the firms will also hassle you hard during negotiations to try to ratchet down your base wage too, and make lots of unverifiable promises about how compensation will be made up out of bonuses. Whether this turns out true or not is largely a function of whose political darling you are. Ironically, as boring as the work is, this happens far less in rank and file companies.

I think there are so many confounding variables that it's not useful to draw sweeping conclusions about this. Sometimes big box corporate type companies will pay huge wages for someone who just maintains something that is not a revenue powerhouse at all. Sometimes firms will restructure to have fancy new divisions that "are like a start-up inside of an established company" (ugh) and they'll hammer down on only hiring young, inexperienced workers on cheap wages in a shiny new urban office who will work a ton of hours. It varies basically as much as the hyper local political circumstances of the teams vary.

Re: Hacker News' “Who is Hiring?” thread, part 2, remote and locations

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Those of us that have worked as remote engineers for a lot of our career know that most companies in general are just plain not managed in a way that would work for companies that have lots of remote workers, especially larger companies. Policies that discourage and undermine remote work that are popular with large companies include: 1. Mandatory all-hands meeting times 2. Banning popular communications platforms lik…

You left out: 5. Incompetent IT Ops mostly staffed by cheap contractors to offset overpaying for terrible hardware and software from Cisco to ensure a complete inability to reliably utilize the corporate VPN.

Having been ops before I have to stand up a little. Not all contractors compete primarily on price (in my case I was paid substantially more than FTEs and even other contractors I found out - 20%+ more than my peers, in fact) but also based upon scarcity of qualified persons. I've rarely heard of VPN that's consistently stable that meets the conflicting requirements that IT managers ask for. Juniper, F5, Cisco, and even smalltime crap based upon OpenVPN just constantly breaks repeatedly in many real-world corporate networks.

This doesn't mean that you're incorrect though - most IT O&S winds up going to lowest-bidding contracting companies and offshored resources that are measured upon the dumbest KPIs ever that completely leave out whether users are actually happy with anything at all. In fact, most IT in the F500 seems to have given up on ever making users happy. I'd say the better measure would be tickets / user filed - if a user never files a ticket, they're not complaining.

Re: Hacker News' “Who is Hiring?” thread, part 2, remote and locations

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Forming a company isn't all that easy. Also, now that person has to pay their own SS and Medicare tax, or if they form a C corp, they have to file incorporation papers and tax returns and filing fees and... Also, if I pay a person through their company like a contractor for too long, the IRS comes down on me because they assume I'm trying to skirt tax laws (and rightly so, because that's basically what you're suggest…

LLCs and S-Corps are useful for their flow-through taxation. It's not a big deal if you're 1099'ing a contractor running their own business, no? When I did sidework, the side gigs all 1099'd me.

It's fine if you do side gig's 1099. But if I have someone doing full time work for me where I set the wage, that's not a contractor anymore according to the IRS and they get really suspicious when your "contractor" has worked for you and only you for many years.

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Forming a company isn't all that easy. Also, now that person has to pay their own SS and Medicare tax, or if they form a C corp, they have to file incorporation papers and tax returns and filing fees and... Also, if I pay a person through their company like a contractor for too long, the IRS comes down on me because they assume I'm trying to skirt tax laws (and rightly so, because that's basically what you're suggest…

Sorry I was thinking remote as in outside the US. I suppose handling benefits and payroll across state boundaries can get tricky.

Outside the US is actually easier in some respects if the person is willing to set up a company in their own country, but I suspect in many countries it is as complicated as setting one up here in the states, and I wouldn't have the expertise to help them.

I suspect a job listing that says "remote anywhere in the world as long as you set up your own corporate entity with a foreign registration in the United States" wouldn't work very well. :)

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