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Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by asimuvPR »

fabrice_d wrote: post #155
asimuvPR wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a hardcore Firefox user. Its been my browser of choice since it came out. I'm a true Mozillian to the heart. But it kills me that I can mostly keep one window open with less than 15 tabs on a Macbook that has 16GB of ram and a fast SSD. I currently have 9 tabs/1 window and its using up 3.13GB of memory. None of the tabs have heavy Javascript processes.

Do you have add-ons installed? You should really not get this memory usage on a clean installation. One way to see what's going on is to open a tab to `about:memory` and take a measure?

I only have uBlock origin. I ran the memory report and saved the results. Would you be interested in it? I could email it to you if thats OK.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by gvb »

shmerl wrote: post #63

Recently I experienced a high profile site throwing some errors in Firefox, and their support rep suggesting me to use Chrome (of course I didn't). This brought the memories of "best viewed in IE" times...

Heres a live flashback for you: http://www.fastcgi.com/

Best viewed with Netscape 3.0+ or Internet Explorer 4.0+.

©1996-2002 Chelsea Networks

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by fabrice_d »

asimuvPR wrote: post #161
fabrice_d wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have add-ons installed? You should really not get this memory usage on a clean installation. One way to see what's going on is to open a tab to `about:memory` and take a measure?

I only have uBlock origin. I ran the memory report and saved the results. Would you be interested in it? I could email it to you if thats OK.

Sure! My email is in my profile.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by Raphael »

hrbrtglm wrote: post #60

For me, it's all about the details, and I just can't come back to Firefox for silly reasons, even if I appreciate their stance on privacy. The tabs shape is repulsing me, I know that's a strong feeling and I can't explain it. The disymetrical back and forward buttons bothers me as well. I can't find how to whitelist domains accepting cookies in Firefox. Switching profiles is much easier with chrome. I'm used to chrom…

I use this dark theme with rectangular tabs: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ft-deepdark/

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by bobajeff »

BenElgar wrote: post #129
bobajeff wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't care about Edge until they've open-sourced it and made it cross platform.

Does that same logic apply to Safari?

Yes.

Though Safari at least has their rendering engine open sourced. But really that just makes me care about Webkit.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by netheril96 »

Firefox is really bad at rendering Chinese fonts. It chooses different font than other browsers, sometimes using a Japanese font to render Chinese text, and the pixelization is just palpable. I know most people here couldn't care less, but the poor internalization may be one of the reasons for a global disadvantage compared to Chrome. Internationalization is really something open source products have been lacking traditionally, as it is neither fun nor sexy.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by woodman »

netheril96 wrote: post #166

Firefox is really bad at rendering Chinese fonts. It chooses different font than other browsers, sometimes using a Japanese font to render Chinese text, and the pixelization is just palpable. I know most people here couldn't care less, but the poor internalization may be one of the reasons for a global disadvantage compared to Chrome. Internationalization is really something open source products have been lacking tra…

Sounds like there aren't enough Chinese open source contributors. As the saying goes, works for me - patches welcome, they'd be in a better position to do so anyway.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by blendo »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #144
Aldo_MX wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So does Intel and many other "trusted" vendors, we all know about the power of default values. As I said, people shouldn't be upset at Google, installing Chrome was a significant improvement, or would you rather see IE8 still as the dominant browser? I blame Adobe, Oracle, etc. because they have the trust of the users and a piece of software considered essential by many people, yet they decide to use the shady practi…

Of course you should be blaming Google. They are a willing participant in deceptive bundleware. And it is specifically included in the download for Adobe Flash for Firefox/Opera Classic (aka, not IE's Flash which is different), so it is setup to steal users away from competitors. At least the last time I checked, and as demonstrated in my screenshot above.

My ability to avoid these Google/Oracle/Microsoft mind-fucks diminishes each year. Is it good for society to have our cynicism cranked up so high?

That's a question for our best second tier psychologists and UX researchers (the first tier being too busy developing the aforesaid mind-fucks).

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by verroq »

AckSyn wrote: post #112
epoch1970 wrote: post #92

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While some progress is being made, it worries me that it's taking so long to get this functionality into the release versions. I'm not suggesting it should be rushed out, of course. But the Electrolysis efforts date back to 2009, if not earlier. That's a long time to make users wait!

Why does this concern you? Mozilla, isn't as cavalier as Google as far as releases are. I remember a time in chrome's beginning it was horribly unstable but patched often. It was the lure of constant quick updates that kept a lot of people eager for the "fixes".

Grandgrandparent: firefox is shit because it doesn't have feature X which causes it to crash if a single tab becomes unresponsive

grandparent: firefox is building it

parent: it tooks them 7 years and it is still not done?

you: why do you care, who cares if mozilla updates slow?

me: ???

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by gtirloni »

gbersac wrote: post #98
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #12

I'm curious how this graph would look if you compared only Linux users (obviously IE and Edge would drop off). It didn't strike me how important Firefox is to the FOSS world until I started experimenting with Linux distros and found that it was consistently pre-installed on flavors of Ubuntu/Debian/Mint/Fedora/FreeBSD. It becomes even more valuable on distros that refuse to pre-load any proprietary software.

I tryied chrome on Ubuntu. It is so slow it is almost unusable, so I switched to firefox (that I feel less user friendly). That may be the reason why it is preinstalled on linux distos.

I've had a lot of problems like that due to bugs in 3d acceleration and AMD GPU drivers. The latest kernel 4.5 updates practically fixed all Chrome issues. It's fast and doesn't break while rendering any more. I can also open other apps that use 3d acceleration and everything works fine.
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