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Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by neerdowell »

mmastrac wrote: post #14
kpcyrd wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chrome really took the ball and ran with it I'm still kind of bitter with the way they did that. A lot of windows installers, which usually installed you toolbars if you forgot to uncheck a box, started installing chrome as your default browser if you forgot to uncheck a box. I've seen a lot of non-technical people using chrome who have no idea what chrome is or remembering giving consent to installing chrome.

Interesting. I didn't see that - I assumed it was just a result of advertising it to everyone who searched on Google. Do you have any specific examples?

CCleaner: https://i.imgur.com/LNFjqzd.png

The checkbox is pre-selected.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by bobajeff »

mmastrac wrote: post #10

Wow. I remember watching these stats, waiting for Firefox to edge past IE in the 2000s. Chrome really took the ball and ran with it. They had the advantage of seeing things that FF did that really worked (tabs, extensions, find-as-you-type) and the intelligence to iterate on that (multi-process support, a world-class debugger) and a really solid foundation in WebKit (née KHTML). In a way Chrome was in the right place…

>If they hadn't launched, Firefox would likely be sitting where Chrome is now

I very much doubt that. Even before Chrome launched Firefox stopped climbing in share. Mozilla has had this saying about marketshare not being apart of their mission.

In fact they've been losing share for some time now. According to NetMarketShare their at about 10% where they were once ~27%.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by nowprovision »

mmastrac wrote: post #10

Wow. I remember watching these stats, waiting for Firefox to edge past IE in the 2000s. Chrome really took the ball and ran with it. They had the advantage of seeing things that FF did that really worked (tabs, extensions, find-as-you-type) and the intelligence to iterate on that (multi-process support, a world-class debugger) and a really solid foundation in WebKit (née KHTML). In a way Chrome was in the right place…

chrome did not have extensions when launched, and firebug was far superior back then. it was a long time before extensions came maybe even 2010. they did not run with what ff did, far from it.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by neerdowell »

SimeVidas wrote: post #15

Mozilla: We are a non-profit and we protect your privacy; we won’t use your data to make money. Most users: Nah, man. We’ll go with the search engine and ad network company.

Most users haven't made a conscious choice to use Chrome. They install it accidentally by not unticking a checkbox[0] or because they are told it will make the Google work better[1].

[0] https://i.imgur.com/LNFjqzd.png

[1] https://i.imgur.com/B3b5iCZ.png

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by distances »

Infinitesimus wrote: post #32
wazoox wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BTW I'm using FF on Android too (and it's way better than Chrome, with a true adblocker which is even more important than on the desktop), but since the upgrade to Android 6 applications revert to the stock Android browser without any option to select FF instead, grrrr...

You'll have to clear chrome from your defaults and set FF as the default. One of the "features" in 6.0 (I think) is removing the ability to let an application handle an intent "Just Once". Instead, whatever you choose the first time will be the default. It's a very very annoying thing for the (likely very few) of us who like using multiple apps for the same thing

Though I haven't found a way to change the Google search bar default app. There's a menu button "Open in Firefox" after you follow a link, but in Android M you'd get Firefox already by default.

Also can't replace the Google bar with Firefox bar. Well I could change the launcher I suppose, but a bit inconvenient still.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by gtk40 »

gboss wrote: post #24
gtk40 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the claim that Firefox/Mozilla is in bed with Google sourced by the use of Google for data about safe browsing? Is there any other reason to think this now that they no longer receive revenue from Google?

Actually Mozilla ditched Google as their search revenue partner and now is partnered with select search engines depending on the market. Yahoo for the US, Yandex for Russia and Baidu for China, for example. Mozilla to my knowledge no longer relies on Google for any revenue. See how do we generate revenue question: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2014/f...

Yes, this is what I was referring to when I said "they no longer receive revenue from Google." He seemed to be basing the entire claim of the two companies being in bed together on Mozilla's use of Google's safe browsing data. I was asking if there was anything else now that the monetary agreement has ceased.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by zaro »

wazoox wrote: post #27
mtgx wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It did. It dropped off a cliff when Google made Chrome default on Android, though.

BTW I'm using FF on Android too (and it's way better than Chrome, with a true adblocker which is even more important than on the desktop), but since the upgrade to Android 6 applications revert to the stock Android browser without any option to select FF instead, grrrr...

I guess you see really lucky :) For me Firefox with or without ad block is the slowest Brower on my phone and my tablet. I really like FF but the reality for me is that it is getting worse and worse . It is noticeable even on my desktop with windows 10 where Bing chrome and edge feel way smoother.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Post by hrbrtglm »

For me, it's all about the details, and I just can't come back to Firefox for silly reasons, even if I appreciate their stance on privacy.

The tabs shape is repulsing me, I know that's a strong feeling and I can't explain it. The disymetrical back and forward buttons bothers me as well. I can't find how to whitelist domains accepting cookies in Firefox. Switching profiles is much easier with chrome. I'm used to chrome developper tools.

I don't like neither safari neither MS edge.

If it wasn't for the missing onenote extension, maybe I'd be using opera. Again, all about the details.

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