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Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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It must be really hard for the Microsoft CEO. He's doing what he can to fix the problems that Steve Ballmer left, but it's extremely hard for him.

The decision to put Edge under the Windows org and make it Windows-only was a decision made under Ballmer. I'm guessing if Satya had to do it today, he'd try to make Edge cross-platform.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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And the thing is it's sadly not a lie. YouTube and such do work best with Chrome. Google's effective web vertical integration means they control every stage of the pipeline. They control the sites and the browser. They can deploy experimental tech in Chrome which nobody knows about and which only Google sites use. It's terrifying.

At some point, YouTube worked better with Safari than with Chrome or Firefox. YouTube would serve VP9 to browsers that supported it, but it was not hardware accelerated, so it used much more CPU.

This is most likely still true. Safari only supports h.264 which has better hardware support than VP9 just now.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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It also had an advantage of being a friggin' fast browser. I switched in 2009 and never looked back beside occasionally trying out FF and nope'ing back to Chrome.

Firefox became faster than Chrome quite a while ago already. Not sure what you were measuring.

When talking about a piece of software as complicated as a modern browser, “became faster” is too broad to have any meaning at all — you can find specific features where almost any browser is faster.

In the case of Chrome and Firefox, they're competitive enough that you really need to say both what you're measuring and how you measured it. People tend to say one is faster than the other when they most commonly mean “the set of extensions I installed in A slowed it down more than B”.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Chrome's share is a Firefox's reward for making their browser indistinguishable from Chrome in every way except for the fact that their entire UI freezes every time it hits some bad javascript. Great choice, to go from being a great Firefox to a crappy Chrome clone.

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Recently I experienced a high profile site throwing some errors in Firefox, and their support rep suggesting me to use Chrome (of course I didn't). This brought the memories of "best viewed in IE" times...

Unfortunately it's an almost weekly occurrence that a site I'm visiting clearly was only tested in Chrome and something critical doesn't work in Firefox. For those instances I use this extension to open the current page in Chrome https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/open-in-chrom...

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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One example of "google only APIs" that I ran into recently is the chrome extension browserAction.openPopup API. This API is whitelisted (in stable) for use by the Google Cast extension. Extensions authored outside of Google cannot use it. This is creates an uneven playing field. https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=436489

So when are they going to get hit by lawsuits like the ones Microsoft got in the '90s?

They've already been hit with that in the EU. And, I imagine the first thing after this current election cycle in the US ends will be newly minted (or newly defrocked, as the case may be) politicians attempting to take a cheap shot at Google -- especially since Popular Luddism is circling the political backwaters these days.

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Google's not at fault; Adobe, Oracle, and every other greedy software vendor are.

Google is knowingly paying for it.

So does Intel and many other "trusted" vendors, we all know about the power of default values.

As I said, people shouldn't be upset at Google, installing Chrome was a significant improvement, or would you rather see IE8 still as the dominant browser?

I blame Adobe, Oracle, etc. because they have the trust of the users and a piece of software considered essential by many people, yet they decide to use the shady practices that cheapskates use.

If it weren't Chrome it would be the dreaded Ask Toolbar or something even worse, so it's not the fault of Google, quite the contrary, installing Chrome as a byproduct is possibly the least negative outcome.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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One example of "google only APIs" that I ran into recently is the chrome extension browserAction.openPopup API. This API is whitelisted (in stable) for use by the Google Cast extension. Extensions authored outside of Google cannot use it. This is creates an uneven playing field. https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=436489

It seems it's not necessarily malicious. From https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=399859 : "The popup is anchored to the extension icon, which might be in overflow or not even exist, in which case it is anchored to the Wrench menu. That kind of anchoring would make the message in the popup to appear to be from the Chrome browser (since it points to the chrome UI) and would present a vector for trick…

I agree that the API limitation is most likely not malicious and I did not intend to imply otherwise. Still, lack of malice does not change the fact that the Google Cast extension has a competitive advantage over other non-Google extensions (which can't use all of the same APIs).

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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This has to be worrisome to the Chrome team. I take this to mean that Firefox is getting faster and less janky with recent releases. Enough Windows users who are in the know and who occasionally kick the Firefox tires are finally settling on it. I don't view this as a knock on the quality of Microsoft products as much as an overall improvement in Firefox. I'm on Mac, and I believe Chrome software quality has slipped…

Firefox was never janky, or slow. It's just both 1) not pushed on users of the products of the two biggest tech companies we have, and 2) not distinguishable from the other options.

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It also had an advantage of being a friggin' fast browser. I switched in 2009 and never looked back beside occasionally trying out FF and nope'ing back to Chrome.

Firefox became faster than Chrome quite a while ago already. Not sure what you were measuring.

I have a policy of keeping personal browsing on chrome and work based browsing on FF. Every now and then FF will inexplicably hang for over 5 seconds on a page that is probably already cached. I never notice this on chrome, and my connection speed is over 100MBps..

Other times, FF is lightning quick - near instantaneous loads - only other thing I can think of is that I'm running FF on Fedora?

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