ISIS is not viewed as legitimate by practically the vast majority of Muslims in the Middle East. Here is just one example of how we are speaking out against them (unfortunately, the captions contain spelling and grammar mistakes): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ2HlIYRvCM
Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It
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#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
Daniel, is it possible to subtract those points from my account? I didn't post it for upvotes.
No because it's compensation for any good things you posted that got ignored. Like tptacek said, just post more good things! You didn't do anything wrong btw. HN reacts how it reacts. Having a wide range of stimuli is important; a few lead to madness, but it wears off. The thing to optimize for is story diversity, because that's what serves the site goal of intellectual curiosity. If you (or anyone) really want to up…
Thanks, will do!
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately, by the time the admins notice that there's a riler- upper - piler- onner, a lot of the damage is done. Look at how many points and comments this story has.
I'm not persuaded that it would work to control it more tightly. It's always been the way HN works that these things surge up and then get flagged or weighted down. There's a kind of equilibrium in there that we're loth to mess with; asking for too much would be a mistake. This concern is perennial. I recall having the same debate many times with you and davidw years before I ever worked on HN. And I am happy to repo…
If you had a daily snapshot of the front page of HN at 3:00PM PST from 2011 to today, I think you'd see approximately the same number of political stories.
The difference is that the stories you'd see today are more focused: where before you'd see the occasional Ron Paul story, or something about Israel, or something about the banksters, today you're almost certainly going to see a police misconduct or asset forfeiture story.
What there should be is a clearer guideline. "Don't post stories about politics or religion".
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No, of course not We just have "Sharia Law" areas in the UK, honour killings in Canada, people getting shot in France and elsewhere because of drawings, etc And if someone disagrees I'd like to hear your opinion.
We do not have Sharia Law areas in the UK. I have no idea where that story came from, but its not based on fact. Particularly amusing was the Fox News coverage of areas of Birmingham where apparently white people can't go - my white friends who've lived there for decades would like to dispute that.
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There was a fairly complete turnaround in the politics of both Germany and Japan after they lost the Second World War, in case you didn't notice. The "money's right" came as a consequence of that.
Nothing rules out Iran having such a complete turnaround. Plenty of people there remember the days of the Shah, they also remember the days of the SAVAK. Neither of those solutions was 'all good' so at some point the people will say 'enough'. It can take a while.
> Nothing rules out Iran having such a complete turnaround.
The purpose of the Guardian Council [0] is precisely to prevent such a turnaround.
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#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe you don't know Islam as much as I do , but at the very end , it is only about sex . When you look at it in that perspective you can understand ruining their culture to show them their whole religion was a lie is the best approach. about bad foreign policy I completely agree.And that was my whole point . stop killing people and overthrowing regime in Islamic areas and change your policy to show them new way of l…
> Maybe you don't know Islam as much as I do , but at the very end , it is only about sex I don't know what you were taught in Iran, but this is 100% false.
>I don't know what you were taught in Iran, but this is 100% false.
I don't know what kind of Islam you taught, but holy book is exclusively about sex and relationship as well as 99% fatwa's. You are just stating something without even explaining it . so nice . I would claim it is 100% true. You can study holy book , it almost exclusively about sex and relationship between men and women with stories -unrelated to relation- between them.
Please before giving such ridiculous answer , provide your reasons .
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#227I commented this in a post 3 days ago.it is completely applicable here,I know maybe this is not right thing to do -copying my old cm- but those point I think closely related to the topic.( there will be Isis like groups until West's ally in middle East is most corrupted regime maybe in world.how do you want people to not be terrorist when Saudi Arabia is one of the closest society in planet . how do you expect people…
> Academia fights against mullah's, science fights, liberal people fighting against mullah's more effective than any other person in whole revolution history...BUT THEY CANNOT FIGHT WITH INTERNET, WITH TOR, WITH STUDENTS who USE TOR. Give them internet , provide them satellite , Facebook/twitter/YouTube/porn , Show them fucking beautiful women in Texas(with respect to women, I just want show sexual incentives), show them there is no need to kill so many people to get those woman , you can fuck like heaven in earth without killing people. And BOOOOOM this is the sound of explosion of foundation of religion.
I see where you are coming from, and I am in agreement with this element of your comment. Backward, unproductive ideologies will not stand the test of time and will eventually crumble under the pressure of globalization unless they can bring tremendous force to bear against the rest of the world. I think what you say will be useful in the future, but the question is what do we do right now? Do we sit back and let ISIS attack Europe without responding? Do we let Russia deal with the issue? Are we willing to allow further areas to be destabilized?
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Yes I agree, the Iranians are on a different level regarding education, academia and culture. They will eventually transform into a relatively free society if we don't interfere.
We don't need your freedom, we are free, you are slave of your credit card company and bank, mind your own business. -- An Iranian
the soviets tried that approach and it didn't work out well for them.
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#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nothing rules out Iran having such a complete turnaround. Plenty of people there remember the days of the Shah, they also remember the days of the SAVAK. Neither of those solutions was 'all good' so at some point the people will say 'enough'. It can take a while.
> Nothing rules out Iran having such a complete turnaround. The purpose of the Guardian Council [0] is precisely to prevent such a turnaround. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Council
That sort of thing will be their downfall, it won't prevent much of anything other than maybe temporary.
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Iran was a U.S. ally under the Shahs, whose reign lasted from the coup we supported or engineered (against their mostly democratic government) in 1953 until the revolution in 1979. Many/most 9/11 perpetrators, including Osama Bin Laden, came from Saudi Arabia; there is plenty of reason for the U.S. to hate them. All countries (or other groups) can find reasons to hate or love each other. Look at France and Germany, c…
Iran was a U.S. ally under the Shahs, whose reign lasted from the coup we supported or engineered (against their mostly democratic governemnt) in 1953 until the revolution in 1979. The beginning of Mohammad Reza's reign was in 1941 and had nothing to do with the US. The coup (by both the US and UK) was about reversing the nationalization of Iran's oil industry, not about installing Mohammad Reza as king. Britain and…
Whatever the mechanics the US and UK effectively removed Prime Minister Mosaddegh from power and gave it to, and supported the Shah (Reza). Is that not correct?