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Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Kequc wrote: post #402
TeMPOraL wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am afraid. Seriously. I'm scared about my life and life of my family, and the civilization we enjoy in Europe. There was a lot of mess already with the current immigration crisis. Now add that attack, and like you said, it's a powder keg, except I'm afraid that this shooting may have just lit the fuse. People will be connecting those two issues. They already are, judging from things that start popping up on my Face…

You had me for the first line. But then you clarified throughout the rest of your post that the reason you are scared is that you are afraid of the west. Can you bend over any further backwards, in any way at all, would that be possible.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Me and my family are in no immediate danger now. We don't live near France. But between the war in Ukraine (actually quite closer to my home) and immigration crisis, the perceived tension is pretty high. I am afraid because things like this tend to spiral out of control, and society is a fragile thing.

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Post by TeMPOraL »

q3k wrote: post #419
TeMPOraL wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am afraid. Seriously. I'm scared about my life and life of my family, and the civilization we enjoy in Europe. There was a lot of mess already with the current immigration crisis. Now add that attack, and like you said, it's a powder keg, except I'm afraid that this shooting may have just lit the fuse. People will be connecting those two issues. They already are, judging from things that start popping up on my Face…

> I am afraid. Seriously. This is exactly what the attackers want you to be. Don't let them win.

Thanks.

My stay in Asia was extended 'till the end of this month. One of the things that bounce in my head now is - what Europe will I come back to?

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Post by deciplex »

imaginenore wrote: post #217
cryptica wrote: post #137

This soils the reputation of islam. I know some good people (muslims) who suffer from prejudice on a daily basis because of attacks like these. Being a muslim in a foreign country is an increasingly difficult and isolating experience.

Islam soils the reputation of islam. It has a massive problem of large percentages of Muslims supporting (or being okay with) violence and terrorism. 42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall). http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-ameri...

This seems to be mainly a problem in Europe (and France in particular) as opposed to Islam in general. Even the study you've linked indicates that.

Here is an article that explores a bit more the attitudes among American Muslims in particular. I don't have time to find the actual study, sorry:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/08/a-fascin...

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Post by sirrocco »

RogtamBar wrote: post #334
clock_tower wrote: post #256

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The Eastern Bloc had plenty of terrorism, as well as organized crime -- who do you think was supplying all those black markets? Being a police state is one thing; being an _effective_ police state is something else, much harder (at least in the pre-computer era). In the Soviet case, it didn't help that they didn't really care much about crime...

Plenty of terrorism? USSR funded and commited plenty of terrorism, but I've yet to hear of any terrorist incidents prior to the perestroila.. Soviets did have some organized crime, but they were well, Russians. GDR, Czechoslovakia, etc, somewhat less inept countries had very little crime and no organized crime to speak of.

What was the cost of that "safety" ? There is no such thing as a free lunch it seems

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Post by sirrocco »

fein wrote: post #418
NotHereNotThere wrote: post #231

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I fail to see how arming citizens would prevent bombs from blowing them up. What the hell is wrong with people, suggesting guns as a solution to unpredictable violent situations where guns wouldn't make any difference. You arm citizens, now what? Shoot anyone that looks mildly suspicious? Hear a bomb go off, you take out your gun then scare the shit out of people surrounding you, then get shot by somebody else that t…

There were active shooters in this instance. Not much you can do about bombs, see Timothy McVeigh.

Please give an example of a US terrorist attack on a theater/school/whatever when the citizens stopped the attack.

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Post by gozo »

001sky wrote: post #340
Asbostos wrote: post #292

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Not that it makes up for it, but France also committed state-sponsored terrorism (by any definition of the word) in New Zealand in the 80's. Though they only killed one person with their bomb. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior

Could you clarify how this would be "terrorism"? Terrorisms is not something targeted like this. Whethor or not it was a war crime or treason or murder or whatever (they plead guilty to manslaughter)...it's not a repeatable or scalable type of situation and was never a threat to the general public.

That has nothing to do with the definition of terrorism. Groups who do targeted attacks of sabotage that rarely kill people are also considered terrorists. For example the Earth Liberation Front is regarded as terrorists by the US.

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/dt https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/september/domterror_09...

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Post by [deleted] »

fein wrote: post #418
NotHereNotThere wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fail to see how arming citizens would prevent bombs from blowing them up. What the hell is wrong with people, suggesting guns as a solution to unpredictable violent situations where guns wouldn't make any difference. You arm citizens, now what? Shoot anyone that looks mildly suspicious? Hear a bomb go off, you take out your gun then scare the shit out of people surrounding you, then get shot by somebody else that t…

There were active shooters in this instance. Not much you can do about bombs, see Timothy McVeigh.

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Post by [deleted] »

Asbostos wrote: post #343
6stringmerc wrote: post #331

Of all the wonderful and dangerous developments that technology has granted our species, I'm saddened to think that we have yet to find a pathway to the human spirit that can help reduce hatred and the impulses that result in such terrible actions. From school shootings in the US to warlords in distant lands, there's so much yet to achieve in the name of progress, for human kind. Surely, we have much to do, and as tr…

Don't worry. Driverless cars are coming and the lives they save will quickly outweigh all deaths from terrorism and mass shootings. The US will be such a massively safer place without those 30,000 road deaths each year. It'll be able to sustain another 9/11 incident every year and still be safer than before. So I don't think we need to solve this problem. We're already well on the way to solving the real problems. Te…

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Post by davidgay »

plonh wrote: post #382
leothekim wrote: post #353

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You answered your question without even realizing it. It is always ok to care about your loved one, and it is always ok to reach back out to let them know you're ok, no matter the medium, no matter the circumstance. It is not irrational, it is human. A college classmate on 9/11 died in the Windows of the World restaurant. Her death may be a statistic to you, but it is not to me. I remember trying to call friends in N…

But Facebook only activates Safety Check on special occasions.

Which are extremely likely to be the same occasions where calls/emergency calls are not getting through.

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Post by shampine »

plonh wrote: post #382
leothekim wrote: post #353

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You answered your question without even realizing it. It is always ok to care about your loved one, and it is always ok to reach back out to let them know you're ok, no matter the medium, no matter the circumstance. It is not irrational, it is human. A college classmate on 9/11 died in the Windows of the World restaurant. Her death may be a statistic to you, but it is not to me. I remember trying to call friends in N…

But Facebook only activates Safety Check on special occasions.

It's still hands down the best feature of the entire product. I don't use Facebook for much, nor do I particularly care for it. But this is an amazing use of social graph and the internet. Whomever at FB came up with the concept, much respect.
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