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Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Post by Fluid_Mechanics »

13thLetter wrote: post #120
Fluid_Mechanics wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we didn't need to secure their oil by supporting/deposing despots in the region, and didn't want to provide the Israelis with military/political/financial support then we would not be dealing with any of this carnage. Their attempts to fight back will only escalate the situation, and the carnage will continue. Edit: I'm not advocating that we not support Israel. I'm simply stating a hard truth regarding "why they…

Maaaaaaaybe wait until the bodies have cooled before you start searching for a way to blame the Jews? :(

This has nothing to do with blaming the Jews. The reason for all this carnage is obvious and we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking otherwise.

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Post by DGAP »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #57
zxcvcxz wrote: post #40

I've seen a lot of HNers suggesting that we must over react and ramp up the war on terrorism. I'm all for cutting off immigration, but how will ramping up the wars do us any good? I don't see how another ten years "fixing" things is going to work.

It won't; a lot of people are radicalising just because of the 'war on terror'. As I said in another comment, what would you do if your family was bombed in a drone strike?

Wow, you literally side with the terrorists over the victims. Illuminating.

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Post by rquantz »

bedhead wrote: post #109
djfm wrote: post #76

I live in Paris and was spending the night in the middle of the hot zone. I was a few hundred meters from the Bataclan but fortunately the area I was in was spared. I tried to get a Uber but they were unavailable, "State of emergency, please stay home", the app said. I took a city bike home, rode about 10kms and barely saw anyone in the streets all the way home. It was really, really weird. I'm awfully sad that peopl…

You are trying to rationalize with people who are irrational. They don't reconcile. It sucks. It's depressing.

Terrorism is usually a rational act. It is terrible, but it has political goals. This, for instance, may be aimed at ending the European involvement in Syria and their taking in refugees.

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Post by tonfa »

RogtamBar wrote: post #103
rezashirazian wrote: post #77

This is scary. This was a well coordinated attack that usually create a lot of chatter before hand. Unlike lone wolf attacks these are somewhat easier to detect. The French intelligence and counter terrorism units are either not doing their best or these terrorist are getting much better at covering their tracks.

> This was a well coordinated attack that should have been picked up. Should have been picked up? You think secret services are omnipotent? That they can get a whiff of every conspiracy. >The French intelligence and counter terrorism units are either dangerously incompetent or these terrorist are getting much better at covering their tracks. Or, there is way, way more of them. Currently, thousands of migrants are ent…

Why do people always mention migrants? There has been well known extremist cells in France, composed of french nationals or resident (1995 terror attack, Toulouse shootings, Charlie Hebdo shootings). Please stop mixing those.

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Post by brwr »

livatlantis wrote: post #100

In Paris right now. We are in shock. At both the scale and the extremely coordinated nature of the attacks on civilians at multiple locations. I work near rue Bichat and Le Petit Cambodge, a warm little restaurant in the 10e that my colleagues and I frequent, where people were tonight killed. The Bataclan is a well-known concert venue for metal bands, where I've seen several bands play live. Les Halles is at the cent…

I'm glad you are safe.

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Post by jacquesm »

gotchange wrote: post #37
jmspring wrote: post #13

The repeated attacks, heavy immigration of refugees...I'm hoping for the best, but I feel like there is a powder keg here. Whether or not it is based in any fact, how this is handled and plays out is a serious concern.

I believe that France didn't open its borders to this wave of refugees/migrants but I could be mistaken since I don't follow the news this closely.

France is part of the Schengen area so there were no borders to open. The signs read 'Bienvenue en France'...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/redlotusmama/4583584976

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Post by michaelchisari »

serge2k wrote: post #51
untog wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do people think the refugees were running away from? Exactly these people.

The Syrian refugees, sure. A big problem is actually determining who people are and why thy are entering Europe.

Yet if it's determined that this was orchestrated by a dozen Saudi nationals on travel visas, my guess is that the Syrian refugees are still going to take it hardest on the chin.

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Post by ino »

gotchange wrote: post #119
jules wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by that? The border between France and neighboring nations is always open.

It's open but that doesn't mean that everyone who shows up at the gate will be allowed in, right?

there are no gates
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