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Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Post by darkr »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #90
fein wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arm your citizens. Edit: Seems HN would rather die on their knees. Shame.

This is not such a bad idea. Unfortunately, it won't help in controlled places like a concert hall (as tonight) where patrons will be scanned at the door. If not today, undoubtedly they'll start doing a lot more of this. On the street and in restaurants, that's another story.

Depends if the French are as disposed to shooting each other as Americans are. Over 10,000 Americans are killed by gun violence every year. This is excluding ~19,000 firearm suicides. Since 9/11, the number of U.S. citizens killed in terrorist attacks each year has never surpassed 75.

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Post by buserror »

toyg wrote: post #32
hyperliner wrote: post #16

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Not all craziness is preventable by a security system.

That might be the case, but this particular strain of craziness was well-publicised and even experienced less than a year ago in the same place. One would expect some antibodies would have been developed by now, especially considering that French foreign policy is not getting any softer.

The problem is that the 'foreign' policy is irrelevant. The 'foreign' policy is made to appear the state is 'doing something' while MOST of the problem has been in the country for many, many years. Most of the problem is that the youngsters of immigrant stock have not been integrated, and have nothing else to do than turn to crime and/or religion, so are just RIPE for radicalism...

And there's little the state can do about THAT. they can't send war planes to the banlieus -- it's a lot easier to play tough and send warplanes somewhere else, ignoring the local problem of the ghethos.

And I don't have a proposal to make it all better either. It was an unsolvable problem already in france when I grew up there, and there's very little that can be done that hasn't been tried already.

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Post by cm2187 »

cm2187 wrote: post #87
AlexB138 wrote: post #72

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>My guess is that they were French nationals/residents. Based on what? I'm pretty uninformed here, and it seems like a lot of people are bringing up refugees. Curious why you think the opposite.

We do not know yet the identities of the terrorists, so only a guess based on the previous three years of attacks in France.

also the TVs are mentioning terrorists speaking French, which if confirmed strongly support this guess.

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Post by kryptiskt »

clock_tower wrote: post #93

I'm very curious about where the attackers got those firearms. France isn't as heavily disarmed as England, but it isn't exactly the United States for firearms availability; if any of the offenders' weapons can be recovered, I'm sure there will be interesting things to learn from their serial numbers.

There are open borders in most of EU and it's a piece of cake to buy automatic weapons in eastern Europe, gangs in Sweden import theirs from Slovakia for example.

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Post by mkhpalm »

clock_tower wrote: post #93

I'm very curious about where the attackers got those firearms. France isn't as heavily disarmed as England, but it isn't exactly the United States for firearms availability; if any of the offenders' weapons can be recovered, I'm sure there will be interesting things to learn from their serial numbers.

Outlawing guns is a lot like outlawing drugs. If you want them, you can get them.

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Post by [deleted] »

toyg wrote: post #54
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #42

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I think a major problem is that even they can't know who among them - in the big groups of refugees making the journey - is an isis member or supporter, and even if they're not, there's no telling who is going to radicalise in the future. The attacks earlier this year in paris weren't done by someone that came from that area, iirc.

Refugees carry little more than their shirts in their travels. Those guns and grenades didn't come with refugees. End of story.

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Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Post by stsp »

philwelch wrote: post #75
toyg wrote: post #54

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Refugees carry little more than their shirts in their travels. Those guns and grenades didn't come with refugees. End of story.

Guns and grenades are not that hard to get, even in Europe. The limiting factor is how many people are willing to lay siege to a concert hall and calmly execute a hundred people, and whether some of those people were let in under the guise of "refugees".

Come on. Don't blame refugees. Normal people are refugees. Refugees are normal people.

Their problems are rooted in abuse of power.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2015/nov/11/...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2015/nov/12/...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2015/nov/13/...

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Post by iMark »

aplummer wrote: post #117
iMark wrote: post #91

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I'd try - seriously. I don't know who came up with "an eye-for-eye and tooth-for-tooth would lead to a world of the blind and toothless" but I believe it. I'm sure it's something I'd struggle with when the hard choice arises, but I honestly believe I'd try to keep to it.

Yea but you weren't born with these ideas, you can't know how you'd be if you grew up in a different context.

Nobody is born with these ideas.
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