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Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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I've seen a lot of HNers suggesting that we must over react and ramp up the war on terrorism. I'm all for cutting off immigration, but how will ramping up the wars do us any good? I don't see how another ten years "fixing" things is going to work.

The terrorists were most likely not immigrants, but french citizen/permanent resident.

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe that France didn't open its borders to this wave of refugees/migrants but I could be mistaken since I don't follow the news this closely.

France cannot really control the wave of migrants anyway. But it is unlikely that the terrorists are one of these migrants. My guess is that they were French nationals/residents.

>My guess is that they were French nationals/residents.

Based on what? I'm pretty uninformed here, and it seems like a lot of people are bringing up refugees. Curious why you think the opposite.

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I'm not sure if I could keep a motivation like that if, for example, my family was killed by a drone strike.

Point taken, though many of those who are inspired to take up arms against innocent people have no such legitimate grievance.

What if your ideology believes that you should treat those killed by drones as your own family because you share the same ideology?

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"Evil thrives when good men do nothing" gotta put a stop to this

What should be done? Bomb the hell out of the Syrians? Surely they have suffered enough. Iraq III? Maybe this time.... maybe.... Send the ground troops into Saudi? Quatar? Acknowledging that some of ISIS / Al-Qaeda gripes do have some merit, stop interfering in other countries affairs, stop propping up dictators because they are "our" dictator. Something else? Unfortunately for the Syrians, my money is on bomb the he…

We have to concentrate on stabilizing Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc., assist the Kurds and other moderate groups against the extremists, and be vigilant within our own borders, yet without sacrificing our liberties.

Beyond that, there's not much more we can do.

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a major problem is that even they can't know who among them - in the big groups of refugees making the journey - is an isis member or supporter, and even if they're not, there's no telling who is going to radicalise in the future. The attacks earlier this year in paris weren't done by someone that came from that area, iirc.

Refugees carry little more than their shirts in their travels. Those guns and grenades didn't come with refugees. End of story.

Guns and grenades are not that hard to get, even in Europe. The limiting factor is how many people are willing to lay siege to a concert hall and calmly execute a hundred people, and whether some of those people were let in under the guise of "refugees".

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I live in Paris and was spending the night in the middle of the hot zone. I was a few hundred meters from the Bataclan but fortunately the area I was in was spared. I tried to get a Uber but they were unavailable, "State of emergency, please stay home", the app said. I took a city bike home, rode about 10kms and barely saw anyone in the streets all the way home. It was really, really weird. I'm awfully sad that people can be proud of having killed a hundred innocents. I'm not afraid, I'm just terribly sad. Please stop this pointless killing.

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This is scary. This was a well coordinated attack that usually create a lot of chatter before hand. Unlike lone wolf attacks these are somewhat easier to detect.

The French intelligence and counter terrorism units are either not doing their best or these terrorist are getting much better at covering their tracks.

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The repeated attacks, heavy immigration of refugees...I'm hoping for the best, but I feel like there is a powder keg here. Whether or not it is based in any fact, how this is handled and plays out is a serious concern.

> heavy immigration of refugees

It's much more likely that the terrorists come from the frustrated youth born and raised in France, than some fresh immigrants.

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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The repeated attacks, heavy immigration of refugees...I'm hoping for the best, but I feel like there is a powder keg here. Whether or not it is based in any fact, how this is handled and plays out is a serious concern.

The far right is already the largest party in France. The reasons for its strength have actually less to do with immigration than the continuous state of crisis of the French economy combined with the corruption of the political establishment. But the Charlie Hebdo attacks in January noticeably increased the anti-islam sentiment in France and I am ready to bet that this night's events will be another step up.

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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"Evil thrives when good men do nothing" gotta put a stop to this

What should be done? Bomb the hell out of the Syrians? Surely they have suffered enough. Iraq III? Maybe this time.... maybe.... Send the ground troops into Saudi? Quatar? Acknowledging that some of ISIS / Al-Qaeda gripes do have some merit, stop interfering in other countries affairs, stop propping up dictators because they are "our" dictator. Something else? Unfortunately for the Syrians, my money is on bomb the he…

What if we were to remove our dependence on foreign oil?

Though fusion is a long way out, hypothetically, if we didn't have any reason to interfere and could just leave the Middle East to figure out its own problems, they wouldn't have a reason to see us as the enemy.

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